MTNL 5G updates

[Tejas01]

Department of Telecommunications allocates 5G trial spectrum to MTNL - The Economic Times

"(The) DoT has allocated spectrum to MTNL for 5G trials in Delhi. It will conduct trials in partnership with C-DoT," the official source told . The state-owned telecom firm will conduct trials in the Najafgarh area of Delhi.

m.economictimes.com

This is totally unexpected!! Who would have thought MTNL toying with 5G ever in its lifetime.

 

[numehta]

Thats like Krissh and Krissh 3

 

[socrates]

The duration of the trials at present is six months. This includes a time period of two months for procurement and the setting up of the equipment.

 

[Tejas01]

How much time does Voda , Jio and Airtel get?

 

[phoenix10386]

MTNL trials for 5G, who knows if they will even be allowed to compete with "bhai".

On another note, 4G speed is 1-5 Mbps for me using Jio. Airtel used to be 65-80 Mbps last September, now 10-15 Mbps. Vi is 1-3 Mbps. Gotta love Indian politicians and business tycoons for bringing in 5G.

It is like Khaitan Fans - Bas Naam Hi Kaafi Hai.

3G to 4G speed bump was not all that great when it comes to feeling a difference everyday, but 4G brought other advancements such as VoLTE that was an improvement over 3G. 5G is not going to be that massive an improvement in India overall, save for some elite pockets in the country like always.

I do hope 5G is different 4G in real terms for us. Spectrum hai nahi, customer count badhaate chalo.. and customer can do nothing about being shortchanged for service like that. Every new customer added is going to nudge bandwidth from every other customer already on the network. Therefore, there should be a reasonable limit to the number of customers telecom providers are allowed to have for a given amount of spectrum they hold for a region, to ensure promised and consistently great service.

You want to charge higher for that, do that. At least give the service you claim to give.

 

[Lucifer96]

@phoenix10386 I think not even 5g or 6g can give us the promised speeds , considering our population , higher spectrum prices , and our evolving data demands . And as for the limiting the people on each network, although it is a good idea , but its not possible in the sense that i feel it is a human right violation as some people will not able to get access to the internet wholly and only brings more chaos , court cases etc.


Only thing that can be help us is the massive fiber deployment , and connecting all the population hotspots like, shopping malls, theatres , etc with a wifi system backed by a good fiber backhaul, In this way congestion on the mobile network will be lower at least in the urban areas.

For rural areas i don't think any effective solution exists , as fibre deployments are costly , but i feel if the govt can complete the bharat net project succesfuly many villages etc can gain from it

 

[pillaicha]

Who is responsible for this mess? Customer only. When freebies are given away, always look into it, a little research.
Chances are you'll find out most free things in life are either just gimmicks, or you pay for them dearly in other ways or at another time.

 

[phoenix10386]

@phoenix10386 I think not even 5g or 6g can give us the promised speeds , considering our population , higher spectrum prices , and our evolving data demands . And as for the limiting the people on each network, although it is a good idea , but its not possible in the sense that i feel it is a human right violation as some people will not able to get access to the internet wholly and only brings more chaos , court cases etc.


Only thing that can be help us is the massive fiber deployment , and connecting all the population hotspots like, shopping malls, theatres , etc with a wifi system backed by a good fiber backhaul, In this way congestion on the mobile network will be lower at least in the urban areas.

For rural areas i don't think any effective solution exists , as fibre deployments are costly , but i feel if the govt can complete the bharat net project succesfuly many villages etc can gain from it

I agree that limiting cannot work on moral/ ethical grounds, but see, technically, there is a limit, right, before everyone starts facing serious issues such as call drops and near-zero speeds? In other domains, we have close-ended mutual fund schemes, we have IPOs where service is on first-come-first-serve basis and it is closed when the target is achieved. If Airtel is full, people will move to Jio. If Jio is full, people will move to Vi. In other words, every player will be able to provide great service to its subscribers without a problem. When there is a problem, government should step in and provide additional spectrum when the market is saturated and needs expansion.

I am talking loosely, yes. This cannot be implemented just this way as I am saying, that would be chaotic. Something needs to be worked out.

Idea is simple - get a fair standard to everyone. Next best thing is doing that for as many as possible. If Airtel supports 100 million people, and it tries to tackle 200 million, that means deficient service for everyone involved. It behoves the government to allow more spectrum to these players so they can continue to cater to the growing demands of our population. Talking about population and its demand on our networks, I mean, just a while ago I read that someone in Gujarat tried ten times to have a boy, with the tenth being the lucky shot. Aise karenge to kahaan jaayenge humaare network..

 

[igloo]

3G to 4G speed bump was not all that great when it comes to feeling a difference everyday, but 4G brought other advancements such as VoLTE that was an improvement over 3G. 5G is not going to be that massive an improvement in India overall, save for some elite pockets in the country like always.

I personally think In India 3G on 2100mhz was a sham. Hardly any network.
4G on 850 band and later 900 band was major step up add the 2300/2500 band for speed we never tasted on fixed network till 2 years back.

 

[pillaicha]

@phoenix10386 In India, we need to go the China way and implement our own standards and spectrum allocations. You see, back during the time of 3G, China made their own 3G network called TD-SCDMA, which was based on the WCDMA we were used to, but used dynamic TDMA. What they gained are three things mainly:-

1) Reduced number of patent royalties to Western economies. Their own population was enough to justify the R&D needed to launch an entirely new system that was incompatible with the rest of the world.
2) Set the stage for LTE-TDD which China made sure was approved by the ITU and 3GPP, thereby becoming an international standard, but majority of the patents are Chinese.
3) Dynamic TDMA will continously change the time slot allocation to users meaning users who are simply latched on the network, but not actively transmitting can be given lower number of time slots, and therefore enhance the LTE experience for active users.

India can't function and offer LTE-A following Western recommendations. As per LTE-A the maximum spectrum that can be aggregated to offer LTE data is 100Mhz. This is quite insufficient in high population densities like India and China. We need to formulate our own standards and efficient spectrum usage patterns, make sure internationally it is recognized, and then go back to the system of government allocating decent amounts of non-liberalized spectrum.