ISP's pay indian gov some amount from our heavy packages(ofcourse our democratic right).ISP's earn much ..look at the amount they spend on the infrastructure & services...They expect great growth..great growth depends on we people who want high speeds..we regret but we help them to reach their goals of reaching out to more customers(we do marketing by spreading the adv's of internet). If govn do crackdown on us..imagine the results of future broadband in India..i will go for Rs2oo/- package just to read info & mails(that will do for me minus torrents). Imagine we..sorry myself have learnt most of the digital world stuff using "those" avaialable stuff..u know y..caz in india some cannot afford it at one point & its a need to stay ahead of its time..if people start cracking indian people systems ..each one of us will be held on one crime or the other..be it music ..softwares.anything..so results is..down on info sharing & intellectual growth due to fear..other's who cannot afford will have to do other mere jobs all their life..If its available then things would have been different for him in this life time itself.thanks to "those" softwares. This sin is worth doing. Better to sin as a pauper & get punished as a millioner..So govnt needs to see that the larger chunk of our packages go to the ones who create the data(movies..music etc..)..Well its cost effective for the creaters also as no post manufacturing units & marketing & salesmen needed..All they have is to take some from our ISp's..Well this is wht i think..plz do suggest any flwas..if any & add ur suggestions
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What about downloading from rapid$hare and other file hosting sites? Is it safe to download from there? I don't think so...If India becomes strict with the anti-piracy laws then there will be nothing much to do with the unlimited broadband and its high speeds. People can just check their mail, chat and browse sites, shutdown their PC and go to sleep and nothing more to do other than that 
. People in the US are earning a lot in dollars and they can pay 50$ or 100$ for the softwares or music they buy/download. How can a man who is earning 5000rs/month or even 10000rs/month afford to buy all this? 
I am just conveying facts and I am not for/against piracy... B)
. People in the US are earning a lot in dollars and they can pay 50$ or 100$ for the softwares or music they buy/download. How can a man who is earning 5000rs/month or even 10000rs/month afford to buy all this? I am just conveying facts and I am not for/against piracy... B)ogtripleog
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if their were to be a crackdown on the use of torrents to get illegal stuff, i would still feel safer downloading from link-removed (though not completely safe)so far most people have said that a crackdown on piracy would be a bad thing as it would render their unlimited connections useless... but has anyone thought about it like this - maybe it would encourage isp's to offer unlimited internet at higher speeds (1 mbps or more) feeling safe that the extra bandwidth will not be misused as it would be in the current case by users.. i can still think of plenty of legal things to do with u/l internet such as VOIP, gaming, streaming video.. hell, even operating system updates ensure that a one gb limit as offered by many isps today is not very useful.. i know i'm going to flamed for writing this
QUOTE(gb_baran @ Dec 20 2006, 06:14 PM) [snapback]71294[/snapback]
How can a man who is earning 5000rs/month or even 10000rs/month afford to buy all this?
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Since when did such a man ever need the internet to get his fix
if they ever crack down, the real pirates (ones that do this for a living) will be celbrating as they have been selling their wares long before the internet.
I've lived in NYC, on certain streets there are ppl selling this in the open, in Manhattan. They get busted eventually, but there always seems to be some one ready to stand in.
Funnily enough i'm told mumbai is actually much cleaner than other cities in this aspect. As in there is no such market anywhere in mumbai, Bollywood's turf and all.
(given human nature and the teeming masses there, i find this hard to believe).
QUOTE(ogtripleog @ Dec 20 2006, 07:06 PM) [snapback]71296[/snapback]
but has anyone thought about it like this - maybe it would encourage isp's to offer unlimited internet at higher speeds (1 mbps or more) feeling safe that the extra bandwidth will not be misused as it would be in the current case by users..
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Hehe, what you are saying is that if it were made illegal *ONLY THEN* would ISPs feel safe to offer unlimited bandwidth.
How can a man who is earning 5000rs/month or even 10000rs/month afford to buy all this?
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Since when did such a man ever need the internet to get his fix
if they ever crack down, the real pirates (ones that do this for a living) will be celbrating as they have been selling their wares long before the internet.
I've lived in NYC, on certain streets there are ppl selling this in the open, in Manhattan. They get busted eventually, but there always seems to be some one ready to stand in.
Funnily enough i'm told mumbai is actually much cleaner than other cities in this aspect. As in there is no such market anywhere in mumbai, Bollywood's turf and all.
(given human nature and the teeming masses there, i find this hard to believe).
QUOTE(ogtripleog @ Dec 20 2006, 07:06 PM) [snapback]71296[/snapback]
but has anyone thought about it like this - maybe it would encourage isp's to offer unlimited internet at higher speeds (1 mbps or more) feeling safe that the extra bandwidth will not be misused as it would be in the current case by users..
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Hehe, what you are saying is that if it were made illegal *ONLY THEN* would ISPs feel safe to offer unlimited bandwidth.
shashankkosta
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mbps connections wud be of no use really if torrents etc are made illegal....i use private trackers mostly.....and i don't think i'm doing anything wrong....if a person has legal rights of a movie, then he should be allowed to do watever he wants to do, be it sharing or watever....and as someone mentioned in the previous posts, catch the killers and the rapists first, till that time let us leech and seed..... 
QUOTE(Shashank @ Dec 20 2006, 10:23 PM) [snapback]71313[/snapback]
if a person has legal rights of a movie, then he should be allowed to do watever he wants to do, be it sharing or watever....
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You do not have any ownership rights to the movie, those are owned entirely by the producer of said movie, neither do you own any distribution rights, therfore cannot distribute, whether you charge or not is irrelevant.
That in a nutshell is the whole crux of the argument.
Now if you buy a dvd, you can sell it or give it to anyone. But they think that is ok, since its a physical object. When you give it to someone else you no longer have it anymore, the supply stays the same, unless they (the owners) decide to increase it. So when supply is limited and demand increases, the product gains value or at least retains it..
All these things are very well understood when we are talking physcial objects.
It gets a bit more grey when we are talking about digital bits, that can be sent anywhere and replicated infintely. What has happened mostly in the lawsuits in the west is that the same interpretatoin of the law used for physcial objects is *also* applied in this case.
Whether that is a valid argument or not has not been tested in a court as of yet, since nearly all of these cases have been settled out of court.
What's very suspect about that Hong King story on the top of the page is that someone has been jalied for what is just copyright infringment.
Was this person hacking into companies and causing untold losses, NO. Merely sharing movies, that too a tiny amount.
Has to be the only case of its kind in the world, and how ironic is it that it happened in China. We all can guess just what the state of intellectual property is there. This conviction looks like its trying to send a signal to whomever is watching that China is serious about this. That guy got sacrificed so China as a whole can alleviate any fears regarding rampant piracy.
Not that it will change things too much, but now you cant say that the Chinese dont care about piracy.
if a person has legal rights of a movie, then he should be allowed to do watever he wants to do, be it sharing or watever....
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You do not have any ownership rights to the movie, those are owned entirely by the producer of said movie, neither do you own any distribution rights, therfore cannot distribute, whether you charge or not is irrelevant.
That in a nutshell is the whole crux of the argument.
Now if you buy a dvd, you can sell it or give it to anyone. But they think that is ok, since its a physical object. When you give it to someone else you no longer have it anymore, the supply stays the same, unless they (the owners) decide to increase it. So when supply is limited and demand increases, the product gains value or at least retains it..
All these things are very well understood when we are talking physcial objects.
It gets a bit more grey when we are talking about digital bits, that can be sent anywhere and replicated infintely. What has happened mostly in the lawsuits in the west is that the same interpretatoin of the law used for physcial objects is *also* applied in this case.
Whether that is a valid argument or not has not been tested in a court as of yet, since nearly all of these cases have been settled out of court.
What's very suspect about that Hong King story on the top of the page is that someone has been jalied for what is just copyright infringment.
Was this person hacking into companies and causing untold losses, NO. Merely sharing movies, that too a tiny amount.
Has to be the only case of its kind in the world, and how ironic is it that it happened in China. We all can guess just what the state of intellectual property is there. This conviction looks like its trying to send a signal to whomever is watching that China is serious about this. That guy got sacrificed so China as a whole can alleviate any fears regarding rampant piracy.
Not that it will change things too much, but now you cant say that the Chinese dont care about piracy.
Funnily enough i'm told mumbai is actually much cleaner than other cities in this aspect. As in there is no such market anywhere in mumbai, Bollywood's turf and all.[/b]
This is indeed funny, cause I was in mumbai last week and I was in the place called Fort where the Victoria Terminus is (Central railway station). I saw people selling CDs/DVDs of softwares and movies on the roadside. And there was one kid who had Windows Vista DVD with him and he was ready to offer me that for 100 bucks...
I really got freaked out by that... I just told him "No"
He even had some of the latest movies, softwares... He was having the pirate bay down on the streets. You can't eliminate piracy coz its like bribery in India
This is indeed funny, cause I was in mumbai last week and I was in the place called Fort where the Victoria Terminus is (Central railway station). I saw people selling CDs/DVDs of softwares and movies on the roadside. And there was one kid who had Windows Vista DVD with him and he was ready to offer me that for 100 bucks...
I really got freaked out by that... I just told him "No"
He even had some of the latest movies, softwares... He was having the pirate bay down on the streets. You can't eliminate piracy coz its like bribery in India
ogtripleog
Regular
connections with a download limit are useless.. its as good as not having internet access at all.. if there were to be a crackdown on torrents, i would still get an unlimited connection.. i like downloading different linux distros.. os updates are huge too... and when you're gaming online, it's downloading continuously.. voip requires a lot of bandwidth too.. of course, if all you use the internet for is downloading illegal stuff then it wouldn't be of much use to you.. and btw you don't have any right to share content that you purchased over the internet.. it's true that you are allowed to share dvd's but are you allowed to make copies of them and give them away? that's the analogy that you should be drawing..
If the only time ISPs feel safe increasing bandwidth is that there is no fear of abuse ie constant downloading. yes i know when they say unlimited that such a question should not really arise.
What's to say there isn't a similar move/crack down planned soon ? (pure speculation)
Cos otherwise the illegal traffic will swamp the legal one.
In any case Spam is still considered the number one clogger of bandwidth.
What's to say there isn't a similar move/crack down planned soon ? (pure speculation)
Cos otherwise the illegal traffic will swamp the legal one.
In any case Spam is still considered the number one clogger of bandwidth.
