National Broadband Plan, TRAI and the Indian broadband customer

[mgcarley]

Hope the blueprint has some good things like LLU.

But how will they implement it..is it FTTP/FTTB or just FTTN?
If it is the same fttn i.e. to the node....i doubt whether it will do any difference as we already have a lot of fttn.
solving the last mile problem really is a big deal.

From what I've read, they're saying FTTB or FTTH in most cases.

LLU has been suggested and recommended on many occasions but BSNL and MTNL continually veto it - probably the only way around this is to build an open-access FTTx network which is independent of these two, make it available to everyone and let competition deal with BSNL/MTNL.

But I would expect that if/when that starts to happen, BSNL/MTNL will look at their declining revenue streams/inability to compete for premium customers and finally maybe say "ok, we'll do LLU", but by then it may be too little too late. Kind of like what's happening in my own country, actually, but for this to work, BSNL and MTNL should each be split up in to retail and wholesale divisions, then the retail divisions of BSNL/MTNL should be merged in to one company, and the wholesale division should do the LLU thing so that any and all service providers could offer the same kind of connections on the same copper... keeping the wholesale arms of BSNL and MTNL together wouldn't be a good idea, because that would essentially create a conflict of interest and an unfair advantage to both of them (again, this is all based on what is happening in my own country, except we're about 3 years in to the LLU process already).

 

[devx101]

From what I've read, they're saying FTTB or FTTH in most cases.

LLU has been suggested and recommended on many occasions but BSNL and MTNL continually veto it - probably the only way around this is to build an open-access FTTx network which is independent of these two, make it available to everyone and let competition deal with BSNL/MTNL.

But I would expect that if/when that starts to happen, BSNL/MTNL will look at their declining revenue streams/inability to compete for premium customers and finally maybe say "ok, we'll do LLU", but by then it may be too little too late. Kind of like what's happening in my own country, actually, but for this to work, BSNL and MTNL should each be split up in to retail and wholesale divisions, then the retail divisions of BSNL/MTNL should be merged in to one company, and the wholesale division should do the LLU thing so that any and all service providers could offer the same kind of connections on the same copper... keeping the wholesale arms of BSNL and MTNL together wouldn't be a good idea, because that would essentially create a conflict of interest and an unfair advantage to both of them (again, this is all based on what is happening in my own country, except we're about 3 years in to the LLU process already).

FTTx is a farce..it is of no use. They will just bring the fiber to the city and then sleep. Still the last mile problem will not get solved. I sincerely hope they are not thinking of this model.
FTTB/H is the right choice but how will they do it is a big question or Will they make a metro Ethernet system in which the FTTk principle is followed and then again leave it to operator for solving the last mile....
even if they do give a last mile option what will it be,it has to be fiber..they should not even think of copper now. But then again BSNL is building a pan india GPON network so that will complicate matters, i doubt whether they will allow LLU on the GPON network.

 

[mgcarley]

FTTx is a farce..it is of no use. They will just bring the fiber to the city and then sleep. Still the last mile problem will not get solved. I sincerely hope they are not thinking of this model.

Eh? FTTx is a generalization for Fiber to the ??

FTTB/H is the right choice but how will they do it is a big question or Will they make a metro Ethernet system in which the FTTk principle is followed and then again leave it to operator for solving the last mile....

FTTK/FTTC is essentially Fiber to the Home but not inside - it's more like "Fiber to the Splitter just outside your home on the street", which in most metros of India might as well translate to FTTB.

even if they do give a last mile option what will it be,it has to be fiber..they should not even think of copper now.

Agreed, but FTTB is still very viable. We have considered it in the past as an option between Hayai Lite and our full-fledged FTTH product, but it's only really the one-time cost of the equipment and the CPEs themselves that we'd be saving on - the operational expenses over 3-5 years work out to the same or more, considering the switches require power and this and that, whereas with passive splitters, they don't, and it's up to the user to ensure adequate power supply to his CPE.

But then again BSNL is building a pan india GPON network so that will complicate matters, i doubt whether they will allow LLU on the GPON network.

They should. Also, it's not pan-India. It's very much segmented. They're not even using the same vendors in each city - they have different vendors supplying platforms in different cities, most of which don't inter-operate very nicely... like you can't use a UTStarcom CPE with a Motorola OLT, for example... so it's a mess already

 

[devx101]

Eh? FTTx is a generalization for Fiber to the ??

FTTK/FTTC is essentially Fiber to the Home but not inside - it's more like "Fiber to the Splitter just outside your home on the street", which in most metros of India might as well translate to FTTB.

arre yaar, i know this all stuff.

Agreed, but FTTB is still very viable.

They should. Also, it's not pan-India. It's very much segmented. They're not even using the same vendors in each city - they have different vendors supplying platforms in different cities, most of which don't inter-operate very nicely... like you can't use a UTStarcom CPE with a Motorola OLT, for example... so it's a mess already

They should do FTTB but the question is how?
Make a company named India BB company(BBNL) and connect all homes in our country...and the operator can just feed the input at the dslam/olt/distribution box(whatever they choose) to their own Backbone.....
may be just like what radius synergies is doing in delhi..


or even better the company manages all the metro core/backbone stuff too and the operator just has to feed his input at the city level central office?

A ray of hope for BW starved brothers..
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hnMKB3n7LUo
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1oTaHWo9qMw

 

[mgcarley]

They should do FTTB but the question is how?
Make a company named India BB company(BBNL) and connect all homes in our country...and the operator can just feed the input at the dslam/olt/distribution box(whatever they choose) to their own Backbone.....

Ideally, yes - the distribution box just sends each ISPs traffic to it's own VLAN (in case the operator wants to customize how his plans are supplied)

or even better the company manages all the metro core/backbone stuff too and the operator just has to feed his input at the city level central office?


This would also be possible in case there is a "standard" product for all ISPs to offer (such as selling nothing but data).

 

[devx101]

just got the link

Milliken & Co banks on govts FTTH push - CIOL News Reports

it says "The company said that its innovative innerduct technology-backed products can reduce overall installation cost. The company is banking on the government of India's push for FTTH.

It said that the government has big fiber roll out plan for new and upcoming projects such as FTTH, National Optical Fiber Network (NOFN) as well as broadband connectivity via fiber deployment to every gram panchyat in India. Milliken & Company bets big on its Maxcell fabricated innerduct offering."



when will see any news on actual govt. FTTH deployment....looks like kapil sibal has turned out to be a flop..

 

[devx101]

Does DoT even know the ground reality...??





TRAI's answer...hope the idiots accept that...

"""5. In remarks against paragraph 7.16 of the recommendations, DOT has
stated that "the urban areas are already covered by OFC as far as
aggregation layer is concern and requirements of access layer could be
met by market dynamics". It must be pointed out that in so far as
aggregation layer is concerned, this is currently met by wireless
broadband network. Barring an occasional city like Jaipur, large cities as
well as metros do not have an optic fibre access network. This is because
of the difficulties being faced by service providers in obtaining right of
way. In the recommendations dated 12 April 2011, the Authority had
recommended stipulation of time limit as well as fixation of charges for
providing the right of way. Secondly, insofar as market dynamics are
concerned, it is desirable that a centralised agency undertakes this work
so that it is truly accessible to all service providers, be they Telecom
service providers or otherwise. Such an aggregation layer would also
facilitate the provision of access layer by the service providers. As
indicated above, the need for high-speed bandwidth to an optic fibre
networks in the form of FTTH cannot be overstated."""

 

[devx101]

Just saw the Australia NBN layout.......looks quite nice in terms of approach.
Hope India too follows similar path...

 

[devx101]

BSNL not to build National broadband network after objections from ministry of Finance. At least that's a good news !!

SPV model proposed to develop rural broadband - The Times of India

 

[mgcarley]

I don't think the SPV model will be good, either - the situation is not working in NZ (where Vodafone NZ is partnered with the incumbant telco to build the rural broadband network using 3G, which isn't really going to work) and I don't think it would be much better here, since there are 14 mobile operators, many of whom bicker with each other enough as it is.It would be better that a third-party builds the network - a third party whose sole purpose is to build the network and provide ISPs wholesale access to the same at equal cost. A third party with no retail operations to generate any conflicts of interest.Frankly, I don't see why this isn't just given to Railtel. As a government undertaking, it already fulfills the criteria for the most part and has already laid several lakhs of KM of fiber all over the country, giving it a huge head start over any newly created company or consortium and with that in mind, could save thousands of crores right from the get go.