lol, surjeet i meant they suffer a lot of downtime, not that we cant ping them thru lan, nad lemme tell ya there securtiy is sh*t, and there is a simple little progy that lets ur request p@$$ through the server's of CTO to the stupid sam server's lol. tried it but culdnt find anythin intrestin to do there except ther SMTP server ,lol , telnet rulzzzzzzzzzz