What are the chances of MTNL 3G with 21.6 mbps speeds?

[popcorn]

I always thought I was a heavy down loader. But after some time, you have downloaded the whole world and done all hings you always wanted to download and then you are left with nothing much to download !!In 3 years I have just downloaded 200GB of data and that to just normal usages with sometimes spikes of downloads.

 

[Shah Jahan]

Don't even think of that. Neglecting or death of Wired BB will be a disaster for the country. As the no. of users goes up operators and users will start feeling the pinch in terms of speed.
"divide by 3" will soon turn into divide by 6,9 and so on...As more and more users come to 3G for a 'wired' BB alternative speeds will decrease. Always remember the golden rule....the speeds which they proclaim 21/28mbps and all that stuff are all SHARED. If there are two users downloading at constant rates speed will half. three simultaneous users means by 3 and so on.:no: Of course operators bring FUP's and throttling to control this but that can be only up to a limit.
Yes, but everybody wants to get the best. And as of now, the best is 3G for me. I'll pay less and get more. And by the time the above scenario materializes there should be Fibre Optic connections at reasonable costs to help us make a switch.


LTE is approx 2-2.5 more times efficient than 3G HSPA networks plus BWA operators have been awarded 20mhz of spectrum which is 4 times more in comparison to 3G operators. Hence the net advantage is 8-10 times. That means either 8-10 times more speed(equivalent fup) or more customers, choice is with operator.
Very nice.


there are certain good wired plans which in ur city which have been discussed in IBF....like fivenet 10 mbps plan or even the all new You Broadband 10 mbps plans which i find rather good....:Boy Zip:
I'm NOT aware of them. If they are truly unlimited (no FUP) and with cost ~1000 Rs then I would consider it. Can you please tell me that plans are those?


I didn't say it wasn't available, I said nobody is doling them out by default. And at Rs2,700, how good do you think it's going to be? There's a little thing called quality that needs to be factored in as well, and I'd bet you Rs2,700 that this device would be utter rubbish (or not actually a 21mbit/s device).
It was from Huawei.


I always thought I was a heavy down loader. But after some time, you have downloaded the whole world and done all hings you always wanted to download and then you are left with nothing much to download !!

In 3 years I have just downloaded 200GB of data and that to just normal usages with sometimes spikes of downloads.
I've downloaded that much in two months and I'm NOT kidding! And that is download ONLY, my uploads are usually 1.5x of how much I download.

 

[mgcarley]

Yes, but everybody wants to get the best. And as of now, the best is 3G for me. I'll pay less and get more. And by the time the above scenario materializes there should be Fibre Optic connections at reasonable costs to help us make a switch.

If you're thinking of MTNL, think again. Unfortunately their plans are not a whole lot better than BSNL's FTTH ones. If you're thinking of us, well... we're in a different market segment altogether. Everyone else is pretty much still committed to copper by beefing up their backends with new technologies but continuing to use the same infrastructure. Airtel's strategy looks to be to move from ADSL to VDSL and Hathway reckon they have implemented DOCSIS 3.0 in some areas. Many cablewalas use Ethernet so all going well, speed *shouldn't* be a problem on these anyway.

I'm NOT aware of them. If they are truly unlimited (no FUP) and with cost ~1000 Rs then I would consider it. Can you please tell me that plans are those?


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It was from Huawei.


...sort of proving my point. The most I've seen out of this device is about 8 to 8.5mbit/s, outside, with line of sight to the tower (but how often do you do that?) - so even that sort of speed is hit & miss, and more often than not the modem is but one in a myriad of components that can affect network speed.

Sure, for the price it's nothing to complain about, but the rule of (advertised speed / 3) very much applies here, and in many cases you're not really going to notice the difference between being on say a 3.6 or 7.2mbit/s network versus a 14 or 21mbit/s network unless you are actually downloading a large file or streaming video, which 3G is, shall we say, less than ideal for (keeping in mind that it's a 10+ year old standard)...

It's kind of like the difference between -20 and -15 in temperature - without actually measuring it, it's very, very hard to tell.

I've downloaded that much in two months and I'm NOT kidding! And that is download ONLY, my uploads are usually 1.5x of how much I download.

You seem like the kind of user I've been talking about for the last couple of years (this is a good thing).

 

[Shah Jahan]

If you're thinking of MTNL, think again. Unfortunately their plans are not a whole lot better than BSNL's FTTH ones. If you're thinking of us, well... we're in a different market segment altogether. Everyone else is pretty much still committed to copper by beefing up their backends with new technologies but continuing to use the same infrastructure. Airtel's strategy looks to be to move from ADSL to VDSL and Hathway reckon they have implemented DOCSIS 3.0 in some areas. Many cablewalas use Ethernet so all going well, speed *shouldn't* be a problem on these anyway.

It is because most (not all) still don't understand why would anybody need so much speed. For most even 1 Mbps is 'pretty awesome' speed! And since these companies already have invested a lot in this old technology, they cannot afford to change everything. They will squeeze every last drop and as long as they have clients and are making moolah they would not care to change.

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The second link took a proxy to work. With Reliance this wasn't a problem but with triband I have to use proxy pretty often. Anyways, I checked all that and wasn't impressed. I can be a little hard to please!

You seem like the kind of user I've been talking about for the last couple of years (this is a good thing).

I hope WITHOUT a touch of sarcasm! My downloads usually range between 75-150 GB a month, although my uploads can shoot several times higher than that at times. I wonder how do you find this a good thing. Usually service providers hate clients like me! Or maybe I didn't get the sarcasm due to what you put in between the brackets!

 

[devx101]

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The second link took a proxy to work. With Reliance this wasn't a problem but with triband I have to use proxy pretty often. Anyways, I checked all that and wasn't impressed. I can be a little hard to please!

I hope WITHOUT a touch of sarcasm! My downloads usually range between 75-150 GB a month, although my uploads can shoot several times higher than that at times. I wonder how do you find this a good thing. Usually service providers hate clients like me! Or maybe I didn't get the sarcasm due to what you put in between the brackets!

I need to throw some light on 3G............ok seeing your requirements i would never refer u wireless plans...75-150GB on 3G can choke the hell out of network. And 1.5times of upload, don't even expect 15% of that amount in wireless.:smiley-cool06:

To put in more simpler manner as a layman, a 3.6 mbps BTS/tower can maximum disburse 1-1.2GB per hour.(considering 100% efficiency-highly unlikely;considering considering no voice calls are made to/from the BTS):tongue1:. Now you can get all the 1GB-1.2GB per hour if you are the only customer in the BTS region(impossible). Hence if i consider your usage to avg.around 100GB pm, you have to be allocated approx. 100 hours from the BTS. There are just 720 hours in a month hence the BTS can accommodate max. 7-8-9 customers like 'you' and no one else:meeting:. If more come to ur BTS speed drops in that proportion.

In a city like Mumbai where crores live even with 1000BTS do you expect such a scenario...:bomb:

 

[mgcarley]

It is because most (not all) still don't understand why would anybody need so much speed. For most even 1 Mbps is 'pretty awesome' speed! And since these companies already have invested a lot in this old technology, they cannot afford to change everything. They will squeeze every last drop and as long as they have clients and are making moolah they would not care to change.

Except that most of this "old" technology could still go to 6 or 20mbit/s without the need to change anything except the software configuration at the DSLAM.

The second link took a proxy to work. With Reliance this wasn't a problem but with triband I have to use proxy pretty often. Anyways, I checked all that and wasn't impressed. I can be a little hard to please!


Yeah... the press releases made it sound like they are offering 100mbit/s but they're offering only 12 I know they've been preparing to file for an IPO for about a year now, so they probably had to play catchup since even I hadn't really seen much from them since early 2010 or so.

I hope WITHOUT a touch of sarcasm! My downloads usually range between 75-150 GB a month, although my uploads can shoot several times higher than that at times. I wonder how do you find this a good thing. Usually service providers hate clients like me! Or maybe I didn't get the sarcasm due to what you put in between the brackets!

No sarcasm whatsoever - we've pretty much built our service around clients with usage profiles like yours - that's why we have plans to cater for the heavier users at very reasonable prices (relatively speaking, of course - the original aim was to get plan prices and speeds to the same levels as Finland - where I lived before I moved to India... we're not quite there yet, but getting very close).

 

[devx101]

Yeah... the press releases made it sound like they are offering 100mbit/s but they're offering only 12 I know they've been preparing to file for an IPO for about a year now, so they probably had to play catchup since even I hadn't really seen much from them since early 2010 or so.


who is preparing to file an IPO? reliance?

 

[mgcarley]

who is preparing to file an IPO? reliance?

Who mentioned Reliance? Last I checked, both Reliances are already traded, aren't they?

You Telecom is preparing for the IPO.

 

[Shah Jahan]

I need to throw some light on 3G............ok seeing your requirements i would never refer u wireless plans...75-150GB on 3G can choke the hell out of network. And 1.5times of upload, don't even expect 15% of that amount in wireless.:smiley-cool06:

To put in more simpler manner as a layman, a 3.6 mbps BTS/tower can maximum disburse 1-1.2GB per hour.(considering 100% efficiency-highly unlikely;considering considering no voice calls are made to/from the BTS):tongue1:. Now you can get all the 1GB-1.2GB per hour if you are the only customer in the BTS region(impossible). Hence if i consider your usage to avg.around 100GB pm, you have to be allocated approx. 100 hours from the BTS. There are just 720 hours in a month hence the BTS can accommodate max. 7-8-9 customers like 'you' and no one else:meeting:. If more come to ur BTS speed drops in that proportion.

In a city like Mumbai where crores live even with 1000BTS do you expect such a scenario...:bomb:
It comes to around 2.5-5 GB/day. Which, even if I get 2.5mbps speeds, it shouldn't take long to complete the download. And if by downloading a mere 3GB/day (average) is choking their towers, then boy I pity them! And I can throttle accordingly, like stop the downloads or decrease the speed of DLs at peak times and then resuming when I'm getting good speeds. I mean if I'm getting good speeds it should take ~2-3 hours to download and I can pause when I'm not getting speeds. However, the uploads will continue. I'm doing this already! Since I have a plan where at nights I get more speeds, hence during day I throttle the speeds down of torrents and don't download off file-hosts so that it doesn't cripple my browsing and at nights when speeds improve I unleash it all!


Except that most of this "old" technology could still go to 6 or 20mbit/s without the need to change anything except the software configuration at the DSLAM.
So they (as of now) see no reason to change.


No sarcasm whatsoever - we've pretty much built our service around clients with usage profiles like yours - that's why we have plans to cater for the heavier users at very reasonable prices (relatively speaking, of course - the original aim was to get plan prices and speeds to the same levels as Finland - where I lived before I moved to India... we're not quite there yet, but getting very close).
Nice.


Who mentioned Reliance? Last I checked, both Reliances are already traded, aren't they?

You Telecom is preparing for the IPO.
Yes, they are. It is listed under the ticker RCOM and as a side note, its value has dropped to less than half in the last 9 months. And if You Telecom is able to build a hype and get into the news before its IPO, then I might buy them and sell the next or next to next day!

 

[mgcarley]

It comes to around 2.5-5 GB/day. Which, even if I get 2.5mbps speeds, it shouldn't take long to complete the download. And if by downloading a mere 3GB/day (average) is choking their towers, then boy I pity them!

3GB per day is HUGE usage for 3G - it simply wasn't designed for this kind of volume.

Cell towers (irrespective of what speed) cost significant sums of cash and as such are meant to serve large amounts of customers (in the developed world I've seen averages of 1,200 customers per tower) and over relatively large radiuses (kilometers)... it's only due to the population density in India (and in many cases, radio blackspots caused by buildings) that have caused all the networks to put in so many cell towers.

If only they handed over more smoothly like they're supposed to, then my damn connections wouldn't get interrupted when I'm on the move.

So they (as of now) see no reason to change.


They don't really need to as yet, but IMO they could certainly do well for themselves to unleash what they do have properly instead of continuing this charade of sub-megabit "broadband".