What would you do with a 100mbit/s or 1Gbit/s connection?

[mgcarley]

I'm only a little confused by the above post(s), as l33t, your one is a little difficult to follow: you don't already have a 100/100 link, do you, or is that just the speed of your network? Where is your NAS now? If you're talking about 1.5TB of internal LAN traffic per month, are you talking about just within your own network, or are you thinking that if you had your NAS in a data centre (allowing it to be accessible anywhere) that you'd use about that much traffic per month within (for example) Hayai's network... Help me understand what you've got already and what you can do with our connection so that we can ensure that users such as yourself are enabled to do these things.I agree that streaming is indeed a great way to go, but part of the difference in India vs other markets is that in other markets most of the streaming services are paid & legal services, such as Netflix or Spotify... this isn't really the case in India (at least, not yet). So the question of never storing material again for someone like soodgautam comes down to what an ISP might consider abuse of the network - we're seeing this issue pop up worldwide nowadays, and if we exclude India for a moment, probably most visibly in the USA. See, with a Netflix-like service we would probably have a peering agreement or even streaming server within the network, but this would not be the case with a (presumably) "illegal" bittorrent download, so the latter is more likely to be looked upon UNfavourably by the ISP.Of course, in the case where we're talking about LEGAL bittorrent-based services, again, this comes down to how much of that content is stored within the network already - with such services you've got the torrent file stored on some central server and often content is stored and distributed in such a way that a minimal amount of traffic (if any) ever has to come from outside the network. This would be a fundamental key to determine whether this model could work in India.

 

[Sushubh]

i was sort of surprised to see the report that netflix now eats up more bandwidth compared to bittorrent in the us market.

 

[mgcarley]

i was sort of surprised to see the report that netflix now eats up more bandwidth compared to bittorrent in the us market.

I saw it too, but I think there was a retraction or correction shortly afterwards... wish I could remember where I saw it. Maybe Slashdot or something.

 

[pudu123]

i was sort of surprised to see the report that netflix now eats up more bandwidth compared to bittorrent in the us market.

Why are you surprised? People don't want to steal. If you offer them content which is easy to access and affordable they will not pirate stuff.

iTunes proved that by 99 cents music downloads and netflix is proving it by their 7 dollars a month subscription plans.

 

[dovahkiin]

I'm only a little confused by the above post(s), as l33t, your one is a little difficult to follow: you don't already have a 100/100 link, do you, or is that just the speed of your network? Where is your NAS now? If you're talking about 1.5TB of internal LAN traffic per month, are you talking about just within your own network, or are you thinking that if you had your NAS in a data centre (allowing it to be accessible anywhere) that you'd use about that much traffic per month within (for example) Hayai's network... Help me understand what you've got already and what you can do with our connection so that we can ensure that users such as yourself are enabled to do these things.
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lol no you can' have NAS running of current Indian speeds i had build it in E.U, in bits and pieces where i had 1000/100 home line and it's just a intel core to 2 with 4 gig of ram with a total of of now 24 tb drives in raid 6 hard, running on linux. well it stared with only 5 tb drives but filled up fast !! and am so sick of losing data that i put everything there. all traffic from NAS is internal lan i.e my home network connected via wireless . i usually prefer a second line for facing the web p.c , since the storage server is not exposed to open net , for example ISP> NAS> home lan. now with hayai it's good cause your lan traffic is free, internal should never be counted anyways, my isp in E.U gave free lan too.

that is why i was asking if fivenet could give a 50/50 fiber to me on a leased line , have not heard from then, maybe well i land in b'bay i would find out from them , i want to bring back my NAS to India. but if they charge for internal lan then it stays where it is, which is sad , might sell it off to some frn there then.

from isp to net i do about 500 gigs to 700 gigs now the downloading fever is gone, but yeah you would get guys who would easliy push 2 to 3 tb p/m on 100/100 line which is nothing , i use a remote server for this now which is 1000/1000 , and just ftp whatever i need to my p.c and then transfer to storage. On that server i push somewhere around 15 to 20 tb p.m if i get in the mood

 

[mgcarley]

Why are you surprised? People don't want to steal. If you offer them content which is easy to access and affordable they will not pirate stuff.

iTunes proved that by 99 cents music downloads and netflix is proving it by their 7 dollars a month subscription plans.

The music and movie industries have been telling us otherwise for years, despite this kind of evidence becoming available. These results not only prove the point (at least for the US market) that it's not necessarily true that the Internet has caused untold misery to their businesses (despite all the labels and studios profits rising over the last decade or so since Napster came out), but also shows that the respective industries estimates about the kind of money they're "losing" due to piracy is grossly inflated.

Of course, they're not really losing this money - they never would have had it one way or the other. The only difference is that the content *is* being seen and heard where it otherwise would not have been - not to mention that now you also have all these wonderful remixes and stuff being done in Brazil and Nigeria and so on (see movies like Steal this film, Steal this film 2 and Good Copy/Bad Copy).

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lol no you can' have NAS running of current Indian speeds i had build it in E.U, in bits and pieces where i had 1000/100 home line and it's just a intel core to 2 with 4 gig of ram with a total of of now 24 tb drives in raid 6 hard, running on linux. well it stared with only 5 tb drives but filled up fast !! and am so sick of losing data that i put everything there. all traffic from NAS is internal lan i.e my home network connected via wireless . i usually prefer a second line for facing the web p.c , since the storage server is not exposed to open net , for example ISP> NAS> home lan. now with hayai it's good cause your lan traffic is free, internal should never be counted anyways, my isp in E.U gave free lan too.

Where in Europe?

that is why i was asking if fivenet could give a 50/50 fiber to me on a leased line , have not heard from then, maybe well i land in b'bay i would find out from them , i want to bring back my NAS to India. but if they charge for internal lan then it stays where it is, which is sad , might sell it off to some frn there then.

As mentioned to you in that post, most ISPs will give you whatever line you want if you're willing to pay for it. For 50 mbit/s leased line, expect lakhs per year.

from isp to net i do about 500 gigs to 700 gigs now the downloading fever is gone, but yeah you would get guys who would easliy push 2 to 3 tb p/m on 100/100 line which is nothing , i use a remote server for this now which is 1000/1000 , and just ftp whatever i need to my p.c and then transfer to storage. On that server i push somewhere around 15 to 20 tb p.m if i get in the mood

Know what you mean. Used to live there myself, that's half the reason Hayai came about in the first place.

 

[dovahkiin]

my work involved traveling all over , but mostly in France, Sweden, Norway, and Slovenia, i have worked for the 2nd largest D.C in the world which i won't name though not in tech but in corporate side of the work so i had access to what might be called direct isp nodes in most parts of E.U , i was lucky i guess for media availability online , we guys can keep dreaming media companies will not give up their old module of work till they are totally wiped out , as far as India is concerned i have really looked hard and deep in copy rights issue and as far i can make out the current law on digital reproduction states that is is legit to reproduce media in digital format IF for personal use , like it is in Sweden, .nl, Canada , Spain among many. though am no lawyer but i would real like if any one can dig up anything which is opposite of this . have already made very lengthy posts on this topic of media and copy rights in the thread in chat section here so won't go into it again, but i hope to god hayai really launches fast in India time is ripe for indie isps to break in for good

 

[johngeorge82]

simplest reason for me - the faster the better!!! :tongue_smilie::icon_rofl::applause::thumbup1::Boy Thumbs Up::solid::Thank You:

 

[Deleted member 13033]

porn/warez/movies you'll download - be creative.


can it any more creative than this :rofl:

 

[mgcarley]

my work involved traveling all over , but mostly in France, Sweden, Norway, and Slovenia, i have worked for the 2nd largest D.C in the world which i won't name though not in tech but in corporate side of the work so i had access to what might be called direct isp nodes in most parts of E.U , i was lucky i guess


So, this past tense suggests you were there, but it might have been quite recent, because with the way European housing systems work, you rarely have a choice about what goes in to your apartment or even if you live in a bungalow (in most parts of Europe, you don't *own* the property, you own shares in the society which are allocated based on your living space which give you the right to reside there).

So chances are you wouldn't have got 1Gbit/s service unless the ISP itself went in and piloted the service, as 1gbit/s service is only quite recent in Sweden and Norway (about a year), and it's been around for a little longer in Paris and Slovenia... but I know what you mean about having the access - my first office in Finland was connected directly to FUNET, and my second office was on the Technopolis network in Espoo so I had this kind of access years before it was available in the home (not very many years, mind you).

for media availability online , we guys can keep dreaming media companies will not give up their old module of work till they are totally wiped out , as far as India is concerned i have really looked hard and deep in copy rights issue and as far i can make out the current law on digital reproduction states that is is legit to reproduce media in digital format IF for personal use , like it is in Sweden, .nl, Canada , Spain among many. though am no lawyer but i would real like if any one can dig up anything which is opposite of this .

Disagree. They won't let themselves be wiped out - it's fight or flight - but most of them will EVENTUALLY move to the models of distribution that make obtaining this content easier for users - the previous example of iTunes is a great one here. Steve supposedly cares so much about the user experience that he was able to tell the media companies "look, do it my way, or piss off" - of course, by the time he was able to do that, it was only after he'd created the demand for it to be done that way, and because he has a fairly... err... rabid, no, loyal userbase.

have already made very lengthy posts on this topic of media and copy rights in the thread in chat section here so won't go into it again, but i hope to god hayai really launches fast in India time is ripe for indie isps to break in for good

Depending on where you are in India, plan on seeing us very soon.

can it any more creative than this :rofl:

Porn is boring. Real women are way better, trust me.

Unless they're psychotic, of course... but that's just a risk you'll have to take.