What do you think is the future of Vi India?

@vikram_ch this you will have to ask the govt like why certain farmers like Amitabh Bacchan and others won't pay tax despite his income being way above the bracket.
Who stopped companies to pay up AGR as per govt calculations
You cannot tax the companies based on your whims and fancies. That is effectively called "tax terrorism" and it goes against the basic notion of BIT which India has with the Netherlands. Time and again, international firms have called out that the spectrum royalties are one of the most expensive in India. Clearly it shows that govt is trying to appropriate absurd money through tax.
What makes you think the Dutch govt will hold back against Indian firms if AGR has to go through? They can use the same absurd logic used by the DoT, Tax dept and the govt.(Cairn has already done it, just to give you an idea) and charge billions of dollars. Watch videos on YT to get an idea as to what methodologies have been adopted by the govt to tax them. I am not saying that these telcos have done a right thing by delaying the taxes. But by imposing penalty on penalty on not paying taxes, interests is not the way to proceed with any firm. If you think foreign investors are going to invest in India with such stupid rules, good luck with that!

You cannot offset the tax not paid by Reliance/Jio onto other telcos. That is plain brutal murder of how private sector works. In the end we, as tax payers, have to suffer for such sh!++Y govt. policies. Such things don't happen in the western countries. That was the main reason why BIT was brought in... to have transparency in tax and level playing field to both domestic and international players under the guidance of MIGA, World Bank.

@Nikhil Sharma it's like saying the govt says today you will be taxed 100 bucks for spectrum, them a few years later, they will claim 100 bucks for the office rented by VI, its employees, tax on the rent on PSU's land(ONGC and another one in point) and other arbitrary points. No company will bow to such methods of taxation. If they were going to implement such measures, then these things should have been made clear in the agreement before signing any treaty.
 
They may have been taxed exorbitantly, but what were they doing about it till now? I'm sure Voda has capable legal counsel to contest against illegitimate taxation. Besides, charging the consumers absurdly with arbitrary policies for their dues is daylight robbery and no less crime.
 
@vikram_ch

You cannot tax the companies based on your whims and fancies. That is effectively called "tax terrorism" and it goes against the basic notion of BIT which India has with the Netherlands.
AGR issue is completely different. Check why AGR is there at 1st place...
1999 or so Govt gave relief to telcos...Instead of paying high one time price for telecom entry it was converted to revenue sharing

All telcos agreed to the definition of AGR when it was signed ...The reason they lost at so many places
Lost at DOT
Lost at TDSAT
Lost at High Court
Lost at Supreme Court
Lost Review Petition at Supreme Court

So it is not tax terrorism....all telcos knew what they are liable to pay from day 1. Not paying or not making provisions was the biggest mistake

Please dont bring in some not related BIT/Netherlands etc
retro Capital gain is different issue ....which govt has withdrawn as per the latest bill.
 
In 1999, telecoms had one role: set up cell BTS sites for cellphones to make calls, or pull up landlines for narrowband access and/or landlines, ISDN, etc.

Never did any of these companies agree to pay a share of their revenue on non-telecom services' revenues. That's where the government tried to clarify its position and the telecoms took the government to court. There's a license fee, a spectrum usage fee, both of which are based on the AGR. If spectrum is being used for telecom services, and the license is to provide telecom services in the country, then why is the government claiming a share in their non-telecom revenues like rent and utilities? Why would the companies ever agree to pay the government for other non-telecom transactions, especially when it is loss-making? This is adjusted gross revenue, not adjusted gross profit, and telecoms balance their balance sheets in different ways to appease shareholders.

For example if a company buys equipment with equity, the debt maybe balanced against revenue obtained from say rent of unused land. Now obviously the company is doing this to make their balance sheets look good, but net profit is sitll low since revenue is only marginally more than the Capex and opex. The government comes like a big Dada there and says pay up based on your revenues now, for all revenues you made. If the companies themselves are barely limping along in terms of actual profits, from where will they pay these AGR based dues?
 
Also to clarify your position, the relief given in 1999 was grossly eclipsed by the sharp raise of base prices per MHz spectrum especially after the 2G scam. India has one of the highest per MHz rates in the world, because the government is assessing it based on absolute number of subscribers and therefore revenue potential. The government doesn't have the sense to understand that in a 55% agrarian country, with around 23 crore people living below the poverty line, and a super price conscious middle class, such revenue potential is less realistic than a wet dream. It's insane and if Vi collapses, India may not get another private telecom enterprise for a long long time. It'll be just Jio and Airtel then, and Airtel is also bleeding. Jio just needs to wait long enough, and they have another 5-10 years before their equipment needs upgrades and fresh capital needs to be pumped in. This government is literally turning your country into a cesspool of shit to the international investor community just to please one man and please his ego to beat his brother in the telecom arena.
 
The day jio paid its agr dues to show off its honesty(lol) I became sure that govt won't budge.
 
Also to clarify your position, the relief given in 1999 was grossly eclipsed by the sharp raise of base prices per MHz spectrum especially after the 2G scam. India has one of the highest per MHz rates in the world, because the government is assessing it based on absolute number of subscribers and therefore revenue potential. The government doesn't have the sense to understand that in a 55% agrarian country, with around 23 crore people living below the poverty line, and a super price conscious middle class, such revenue potential is less realistic than a wet dream. It's insane and if Vi collapses, India may not get another private telecom enterprise for a long long time. It'll be just Jio and Airtel then, and Airtel is also bleeding. Jio just needs to wait long enough, and they have another 5-10 years before their equipment needs upgrades and fresh capital needs to be pumped in. This government is literally turning your country into a cesspool of shit to the international investor community just to please one man and please his ego to beat his brother in the telecom arena.
well said. But i think looking from a govt's perspective their only major sources of income are mainly from this spectrum auction and petrol taxes, with majority of our population falling below the taxable line, they didn't have any other significant cash flow to them, yet they have to cater to the needs of all the population like ration and other subsidies etc.

for Other developing countries this is not a problem with ,most of the population falls above the taxable line.
 
I'm assuming when you say "most" you're referring to >50%.

Fact is in India most are capable of/supposed to pay direct (income and capital gains) tax. And all people, including tourists, pay indirect taxes.

The problem therefore is that most of these eligible people evade direct taxes. You have street food vendors and small local businesses making a few lakhs per month and scoffing about the concept of paying taxes. Meanwhile a simple peon in a school who earns ₹15k/month knows to file ITR if he's not subjected to TDS. That's the difference and the most prevalent taxation problem in India since decades.
 
yes, most of the people i know are financially secure and have a good Lifestyle, didn't even pay income tax in their lifetime. and still gets ration also. Thats the main problem with this unorganized sector, nobody to monitor , no enforcing rules for them, . the govt should devise a proper a system for the unorganized sector for the tax collection, just like what they are doing in the organized sector, instead they are keen on monetising the govt assets , which will not bring any significant benefits to the govt ,but to offload only their liabilities probably
 
Govt assets are like cash cows, built using tax payers money. You sell the asset, you reduce your source of revenue. It may benefit in shot term. Ultimately, the tax payer looses out.
 
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