Airtel Broadband blocking torrents and file sharing services

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Okay, so that speed was short lived. Exactly at 00:00, It got throttled back to 100kb/s.

@ Above guy,

What exactly did you tell them? I'm thinking of doing the same. There's no use paying so much if you are only getting a 5th of the speed.

I am also getting throttled during day time for last 2 days. I am hardly getting 1/5th of the speed on torrents during day time and its no use of keeping airtel if this continues to happen. I am gonna write them a mail now regarding disconnection because of selective download throttling (wont say I am getting throttled on torrents directly though). If they fix it thn its fine else I am more thn ready to leave airtel.
 
Airtel first messed up by giving me a modem they don't make . after 4-5 days that modem stopped working and after 3 days of constant calls by me to customer care , they had to replace it but they told me they don't provide that modem to customers . the engineer who gave that modem to me even fought on phone with me that he didn't give me that modem. this happened during the time when i complained about throttling and a senior official called me and said sorry about both issues but as i was really angry, i told them that i want my connection terminated along with my neighbour's ( both 4mbps 150 gb connections). i recieved my modem the next day with full refund on my last modem and 50% price on the new modem (only 350 bucks) . since that day ( 30th of last month ) , no torrent throttling has taken place on my connection or any other connection @ my society ( i know 3 guys who have airtel in my society). but upload speeds are always throttled to 20 kBps on torrents . @jazzy and @burner ........ my friends in pune who have problem of torrent throttled during day have all pitched in and bought a seedbox from feral ( costs about 720 bucks ) . it is used by five people and they download about a TB per month and seed that much too .seed box is of great use for downloading large 10gb-60gb torrents who have really low number of seeds .
 
Torrents are being throttled heavily since Monday here. And I mean *heavily*. Woke up and found this in utorrent yesterday:
http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/1359/utorrentthrottling.png

Supposedly, for approx. 8 hours in the night, Airtel does not want to throttle torrents and then suddenly decided to throttle torrents to less than 10kBps!
Even downloads from Oron are now hovering around 512kbps, max. Other http downloads are at full speed.
If it continues, maybe it's time to look into VPN.
 
Some insight:Companies which own international bandwidth (like RCOM, Bharti Airtel) have found a new business model to make money from underutilized network during non peak hours. They sell bandwidth for releasing Indian content in US. This content (such as movies to be released in theater) is very heavy (Few TB) and is required to be delivered at a particular time (content owners hand over content to distributor just before the release in order to minimize piracy). The network utilization follows a particular pattern and especially during the night, network utilization falls below 10% of peak utilization. So, generally they choose this period and block very high portion of bandwidth (lets say 80%) for this content. In order to avoid any breakdown in the network, they might throttle the torrent and other data hungry program.I do not want to suggest that this is the reason for throttling at a particular time but this can be one of the reasons.
 
Some insight:

Companies which own international bandwidth (like RCOM, Bharti Airtel) have found a new business model to make money from underutilized network during non peak hours. They sell bandwidth for releasing Indian content in US. This content (such as movies to be released in theater) is very heavy (Few TB) and is required to be delivered at a particular time (content owners hand over content to distributor just before the release in order to minimize piracy). The network utilization follows a particular pattern and especially during the night, network utilization falls below 10% of peak utilization. So, generally they choose this period and block very high portion of bandwidth (lets say 80%) for this content. In order to avoid any breakdown in the network, they might throttle the torrent and other data hungry program.

I do not want to suggest that this is the reason for throttling at a particular time but this can be one of the reasons.

With the amount of capacity the ISPs such as Bharti have available to them, a few TB here and there doesn't affect much of anything. To put it in to context, Bharti could transfer 10TB of content over the lit capacity of it's international pipes (not total capacity, but lit capacity) in about 15 minutes without blinking an eyelash.

The setup of content distribution networks is designed in such a way that the content is sent from India to the US and is stored in the US itself for distribution in the US through whatever channel - be it a movie theatre, netflix, the cable providers or others.

Secondly, network utilization at off-peak hours is significantly more than 10%. Indicative traffic graphs show about 30% usage on average - in Mumbai that number is as high as 50%, in Delhi about 30%, in Chennai about 40%. This is significantly higher than graphs I've seen for ISPs in other countries, however I expect this is due in part to the popularity of "night unlimited" type plans in India.

Thirdly, the direction of traffic is wrong - if Bharti is sending content to the US, that's going to have little (if any) effect on the downloads of it's users in India, because almost all users (especially on ADSL) have much less upload capacity than download capacity, and as such the theory goes that there is plenty of spare upload capacity at any time of the day.

Fourth, they simply aren't *allowed* to simply "block off" chunks of bandwidth to allocate it to some other purpose just because it's off-peak hours. They're still required to maintain their contention ratios and provide the same quality of service no matter what the time is as per whatever plan the user is on. The exception to this from memory is if the government declares a state of emergency, and that too I think a national emergency, at which point ISPs are obliged to surrender their resources to the government/military/etc (I'm oversimplifying it a bit, but it has such clauses in the ISP license agreement).

Last, but not least, the above graph shows that the user received full speeds in the night, not throttled speeds - which contradicts the theory you've put forth.

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...I think I had another point, but I can't think of it right now.
 
ask your friends to pitch in and get a seed box , although you guys are still living in the dream that someday torrent throttling will stop but its only going to spread to other ISPs . seed box not only solves the throttling issue but also the seeding-eats-my-bandwidth issue . seed boxes are really cheap .
 
Sad ISPs in india dont have ppl like MC who know what they are doing...
 
Tested with Glasnost.
It says :
[h=3]Is your upload traffic rate limited?[/h]There is no indication that your ISP rate limits your uploads.
However, some of the measurements were affected by noise, which limits Glasnost ability to detect rate limiting.
Details:
There is no indication that your ISP rate limits your BitTorrent uploads. In our tests, uploads using control flows achieved up to 768 Kbps while uploads using BitTorrent achieved up to 680 Kbps.
There is no indication that your ISP rate limits uploads on port 6881 or 57189. In our tests, uploads on port 6881 achieved up to 768 Kbps while uploads on port 57189 achieved up to 758 Kbps.

[h=3]Is your download traffic rate limited?[/h]Your ISP appears to rate limit your downloads.
Details:
Your ISP appears to rate limit your BitTorrent downloads. In our tests, downloads using control flows achieved up to 90 Kbps while downloads using BitTorrent achieved up to 69 Kbps.
There is no indication that your ISP rate limits downloads on port 6881 or 57189. In our tests, downloads on port 6881 achieved up to 90 Kbps while downloads on port 57189 achieved up to 95 Kbps.


Whatever the results might show, I am certain that there is a problem.My speedtest results for the delhi server is perfectly fine showing me an average bandwidth of 2300 Kb/s over the last couple of days.
But my Torrent download speeds don't go above 25 Kb/s.Even downloading flash videos from sites is limited to around 20 Kb/s which used to easily cross 200 Kb/s earlier.
 
they simply aren't *allowed* to simply "block off" chunks of bandwidth to allocate it to some other purpose just because it's off-peak hours. They're still required to maintain their contention ratios and provide the same quality of service no matter what the time is as per whatever plan the user is on.

A bit in different direction..

Who in india is the authority to monitor whether ISP are doing this or not .. DOT / TRAI -- But are they actually monitoring such activities...

Airtel or any other ISP can take benefit of this and do whatever they want with their residential customer...

Another reason they can do this is - 90% of their residential customer base is illiterate as far as such policy and terms are concerned. SO if they do practice such things no body is going to raise voice because they will never know..
 
A bit in different direction..

Who in india is the authority to monitor whether ISP are doing this or not .. DOT / TRAI -- But are they actually monitoring such activities...

Airtel or any other ISP can take benefit of this and do whatever they want with their residential customer...

Another reason they can do this is - 90% of their residential customer base is illiterate as far as such policy and terms are concerned. SO if they do practice such things no body is going to raise voice because they will never know..

The TRAI is the regulator and the DoT is the licensor. Essentially, the TRAI can hit the ISP with the fine or give it a slap over the wrist and tell it to get back in line, the DoT can withdraw the license and prevent the ISP from operating at all.

From memory it would be the TRAI who actually monitors the behaviour and if something is actually amiss then they would recommend to the DoT to withdraw the license based on their findings and I do seem to recall that the TRAI does monitor these things - I believe they release reports of their findings about once a quarter. On the latest report the numbers referring to this are down about pages 70-80.

Irrespective of whether the customer knows anything about contract law or can even read their contract (in which case, I'm not sure the contract even enforceable by law) I'm quite sure most ISPs (especially the big ones like Airtel) have more to lose than they stand to gain by doing anything like what has been described.

Besides, if it was my network, I would completely separate the traffic for the purposes being described, as in, I wouldn't use the public network all my customers are connected to to transfer the kind of information that's supposed to be kept private such as movie releases or perhaps something even more valuable (like traffic to/from ATM machines) - I'd put it on it's very own private connection on it's own private network. It's not like the capacity isn't available to do this, and it allows for much more flexibility at both ends.
 
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