BSNL 3G: Capped and trapped...

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I know you are right but, the thing is do you really expect a mediocre person to know all this technical aspects of a service?
Isn't it companies responsibility to clear all this things before the customer, or at least provide proper terms and conditions?
I am just arguing with an aaam admi perspective.

I also agree with you on this, but I think that a typical torrent user can understand if everyone uses torrents, his speed will slow down too, and more to the point many of the 3G users probably understand this as well, since I think it's still at a fairly early stage of adoption in India, and most of the customers upgrading to 3G are probably doing it for a reason.

Of course, there are other typical customers who have 3G who don't understand really what it is and why they need or have it - all they do is make calls, send SMSes and MAYBE some light data usage... but then these customers are finding anyway that their quality of service has degraded despite them being relatively light users of the network, and just assume that BSNL is shit - and this isn't good for BSNL.

If it were me and I was as large as BSNL, I'd probably have in my ToS that applications such as bittorrent are outside of the scope of what the network is obliged to provide, and so traffic management would be in place. At the same time, I don't think this would help much - in my experience, a large percentage of people don't read their paperwork.

What's a provider to do?

The options are either: crap speeds and unlimited usage or decent speeds with FUPs. BSNL chose the former at first but has now moved to the latter. All I'm saying is that I understand why - it's a good thing from the quality perspective, but of course, for customers it can look to be a bad thing. But that again comes down to how one should use the network.

If wired connections in India were better, 3G would work better because it would supplement the wired connection. But to achieve this, there's also another small obstacle: it would require a small change in many people's thinking - "why should I pay for 2 internet connections?"

It might make sense to me as to why, but not to many others.
 
I dont know why you guys are just getting on to mgcarley he is just stating the facts that we cannot use 3G as a replacement for wired broadband like ADSL or cable, it's just crazy to expect consistent speeds with 3G connection coz the bandwidth of the cell tower is shared among users. Here in Hyderabad the BSNL 3G has gone from bad to worst it's like I am on a EDGE GPRS connection, I too got burnt coz of the 3G unlimited package that I got as I am not using it these days coz of the stupid slow speeds..... but fortunately I did not disconnect my wired broadband.
 
But now i think when i go back i will check if the speeds are stable or not as all the copper has been replaced with fibre cables, so fibres have more bandwidth capacity so there won't be any overload, or even if overload occurs maybe not as copper.

Most of BSNL's backbone is fiber, yet they still put only small capacities in to many place. They have a fiber-optic cable going in to some villages which might be capable of 10Gbit/s with normal equipment - but they only provide 8mbit/s or 45mbit/s or something stupid like that.

Right, 3G is not an alternative to wired broadband, and if u want wireless at home why don't u get super N wireless for urself and hook up with your modem or adsl connection.
And seriously trust me in uae all the ports were blocked by the ISP's side so port unblocking also did'nt work.

See? Told you UAE is less than ideal ;)

3G is also very slow for surfing, its my experience and rarely very fast, i've reached max upto 400 kb/sec transfer rate.

Some people have managed megabits - 1.5 to 2 seems to be a common number that was thrown around a few months back.

But anywayz is BSNL 3G ports unblocked???

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mostly people use ports something between 50000-60000 for torrents.

Really? I don't. 6881–6887 (and a few other ports nearby that number) are the general defaults.

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I dont know why you guys are just getting on to mgcarley he is just stating the facts that we cannot use 3G as a replacement for wired broadband like ADSL or cable, it's just crazy to expect consistent speeds with 3G connection coz the bandwidth of the cell tower is shared among users.

Here in Hyderabad the BSNL 3G has gone from bad to worst it's like I am on a EDGE GPRS connection, I too got burnt coz of the 3G unlimited package that I got as I am not using it these days coz of the stupid slow speeds..... but fortunately I did not disconnect my wired broadband.

I've been saying that to brand 3G as "the fix-all to India's broadband woes" was wrong since 2009, but even I never expected that BSNL would release unlimited plans (a lot of people even challenged me to come up with a similar price for the speed, but I flat-out refused, and I'm glad I did), and I think it was a bad move on their part to do that.

As I said in a previous post BSNL shot itself in the foot a bit by offering this plan as unlimited with no conditions on how it should be used. But, while it started off well, unfortunately the experience has degraded so much that people - since they would have fallen for this marketing ploy hook line and sinker - now feel a bit cheated, and now that the unlimited plan is gone, they feel even more cheated.

To me it was obvious that this was going to happen, especially as unlimited plans were released (of course, I have some knowledge on the subject of networking) - but to the common person I doubt it would have been so. Educating the users is one of the most difficult things - something I think BSNL wouldn't have had the ability to do, and I think that's the point that everyone is trying to make to me.
 
the debate has been shifted to torrent versus regular browsing from overloading of n/w capacity... all the things that mgcarley has been posted is justifiable from a educated n/w guru with proper understandings.. but from a pure user these things r pure bs... nbdy specially in india cares about why this sudden slowdown ,, sudden speedcap... whenevr we get chances we dwnld as much as we can bcoz else it is not possible at all... this is not a problem tst has been arised from the negligence of users but from servc providers... though it is true 3g/hspa is not technologicaly wireline bb substitute but in reality it is...
 
Right, 3G is not an alternative to wired broadband, and if u want wireless at home why don't u get super N wireless for urself and hook up with your modem or adsl connection.




What if BSNL is not even providing a landline connection in area ? any Unlimited Broadband alternative ?
 
the debate has been shifted to torrent versus regular browsing from overloading of n/w capacity...

Let face facts here - if users were only using "regular browsing", I don't honestly think that the network would be suffering as much as it is.

all the things that mgcarley has been posted is justifiable from a educated n/w guru with proper understandings.. but from a pure user these things r pure bs...

Please explain? A user feels cheated because he can't abuse a service anymore? That's like mugging someone, discovering he has only Rs100 on him, and feeling cheated because you could only extract Rs100 from that guy. Is a service provider is not obliged to manage traffic on it's network and try to ensure good quality service for it's customers? I want to understand what you mean.

nbdy specially in india cares about why this sudden slowdown ,, sudden speedcap...

I think the posts, reviews and complaints about the service turning to shit would indicate otherwise.

whenevr we get chances we dwnld as much as we can bcoz else it is not possible at all... this is not a problem tst has been arised from the negligence of users but from servc providers...

Please elaborate as to why the service providers are obliged to provide unlimited usage? How is it the providers fault that users use the service in a fashion for which it was not intended? Most of the ISP contracts I've seen (in India) state roughly what you are and are not allowed to do on the network, and if I may paraphrase, "utilizing services which cause detriment to other users" is usually prohibited.

Otherwise, as I mentioned, I believe it was a stupid move on BSNL's part to provide a service at this price which could be so easily taken advantage of without having any terms and conditions applied to the word "unlimited", and they should have been educating users that torrents is not acceptable use of the network, so I agree with you on that part, but I don't think it was pure negligence. I think BSNL wanted to show that it's got the stuff, and was the first to do so.

though it is true 3g/hspa is not technologicaly wireline bb substitute but in reality it is...

Yes, but it *shouldn't* be. From where I was standing, the providers were almost betting on 3G to replace their aging copper networks, and in my view this is the wrong approach and not how 3G services should be sold. As I said in the previous post, if the wireline plans were better, then this problem may not have arisen.

What if BSNL is not even providing a landline connection in area ? any Unlimited Broadband alternative ?

To be honest, I'm not too sure about how to answer that question, but I would presume someone in an area where no wired infrastructure exists probably will not be a heavy user. Naturally I could be horribly wrong - my knowledge on the state of BSNL's coverage in some parts of India is limited.
 
arrey baba... mgcarley i never asked or demanded a ul connction in 3g.. but a decent limit is expected(though i dnt xpect it.. not from these buggers)... 1 gB for 650- 700 rs.. r they mad ??? or should i say they recruit such blind managers whu hav never visited india or hav no idea about indian economy... forget torrenting.... simply leave it aside ... if i surf for 1 hr i allmost consume 80 mB avg.... 30 days a month.. 80x30=2.4 gB per month... i stay in my home so can afford a wireline... whu stays outside for wrk... whu travel ..what about them?? yes u r rite bsnl did a stupid move or should i say the only rite thing they did evr.. capture as much as possbl with 6 mnths advnc and then limit the spd... quite a clever one i say..we realy need a gd wireline bb ... with decent b/w of 6 to 8 mbps and 50 gB limit under 1100 bucks atleast... btw ur plans are very much suitable for indian users...
 
3G has just rolled out in India so, if companies are pricing 1 GB for Rs650 needless to say, it's bound to happen.India is running 10 years late compared to technology trend around the Globe.Lack of quality broadband services in India is responsible for the fact that people are looking forward to 3G as a substitute of broadband connection.What BSNL is been doing, selling 3G connections tagging it unlimited, just leaves customer thinking UNLIMITED I.E NEVER-ENDING. Which is obviously not possible and results in crappy speeds and serious downtime as people are exploiting it to the core.This is the reason we want Hayai to roll out real soon.
 
To be honest, I'm not too sure about how to answer that question, but I would presume someone in an area where no wired infrastructure exists probably will not be a heavy user.

True, I'm the person at wrong place :| 800mts away there is wired lines available, just due to lazy babus and workers no line here :| Even if I'm not wrong mini exchange having setup on/in BSNL GSM BTS which is only 1.5kms away :|
 
Well Well Well...... i was following this thread from the beginning . and its really funny that all of the guys who posted have some thing different to say . BUT NONE OF YOU HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT WHY THIS HAPPENED AND WHY ITS HAPPENING .well i will tell every one what is this actually .1st - No operator India has the capacity to give you unlimited plan . After all there is no server placed in india. we have to use each and every time international bandwidth to visit any pages .AND really INTERNATIONAL bandwidth is very costly. ISP has to pay for each bit for that. So All the isp who gave you unlimited they either have low bandwidth or FUP .So the same goes for BSNL .2nd- As you guys know more or less about 3G spectrum so how difficult it to get and on that none of any operator has all 26 circle license except BSNL .so what you guys think BSNL got this spectrum so easily and while other operators has to do so much bidding for this . :PAccording to the agreement between TRAI & BSNL , Bsnl has to give the spectrum money for each circle and the condition is BSNL has to pay the same amount as the highest bidder in that circle .So you guys can imagine how much money BSNL has to give :O3rd - SO now may be all of u have some idea regarding that . Just take example of this forumit has 26,647 user registered and so many guests . so i think half of the members must have got BSNL 3G connection by the speed review in this forum .SO do the math 13323.5* 4600 = 6,12,88,100 :urock::hysterical::whistle:So i dont think i have to explain how many peoples in india got this 4600 of 1499 plan for 3Gyou guys can do math :happy:
 
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