How many times have we heard of lovers killing rivals ?Crime of Passion, commonest motive for murder !That the son was responsible here is just a techincality. That his father was a doctor indicates the depth of prejudice that needs to be overcome.Well, making it legal is one step in this direction.As to flaunting, its illegal in this place isn't it even between hetero's, no PDA's :notallowed:Therefore the question does not arise.
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The Goan
Every Mom’s advice to her son ……….. 1960’s Mom to her son— beta, apne caste ki ladki se hi shaadi karna 1970’s…………………….. Apne religion ki 1980’s ……………………. Apne level ki 1990’s ……………………. Apne desh ki 2000 ……………………. Apni umar ki . . . . 2009 ……………………. Koi bhi ho, par Ladki se hi karna….…..….. !!!
Appropriate joke, because it highlights the fact that we have overcome (well, to some extent at least) many such prejudices and discriminatory hatred over the years. As far as tech_enthu's article goes, well it's sad. But a) This could have happened even if the father was having an affair with a woman; and b) Had this happened if his father was having an affair with a woman outside of their religion / caste, we would not say," see, you need to keep religious and caste based discrimination otherwise the world falls to chaos."
Its very simple, look at the effects of reducing discrimination in other areas for a guide.Was it good or bad to allow ppl of different religons, castes, races & cultures to intermingle ?That is really ALL this boils down to. Most of the arguments against are just sideshows to divert from this point and are nearly identical in their reasoning for the above 
I'm still waiting to hear a credible one.
I'm still waiting to hear a credible one.
Yea right! We have overcome and achieved so many things. Consequences of this will be after abt 100-200 years, but we wont be there to know if consequences are good or bad.
Yeah , i still shudder at the thought of Inter Caste/Religion marriages :O
Yeah , i still shudder at the thought of Inter Caste/Religion marriages :O
girl's relatives were not really impressed though.rageaddict
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karan thapar did a debate on this subject a week ago in his show "war of words". the guests included, from the religious corner, a father from some church, a mullah from the muslim personal law board and a shiv sena MP/news paper journalist from "saamna". on the defensive side, it had an NGO and the lawer who fought the case in favour of the homosexuals.
the father from the christian side said he had no problem with the state "decriminalizing" homosexuality but the church had a problem with "legalizing" homosexuality. karan didn't understand the contradictory statement so he asked the father to make some fu"king sense or STFU.
the shiv sena MP had no opinions. i always wondered what the shiv sena stand on this issue was cause the paper wasn't voicing any opinions but rather just printing the news. when thapar asked the dude what he felt about the ruling, he said he was not against it but didn't approve the ruling because of some opinion poll which said that 81% of the people were against homosexuality. then he went on about educating the people in general about homosexualilty and try to build some positive consensus and similar things of intellectual nature. what asked about marriages, he argued on the consensus point again and called for education. thapar by now is surprised with he heard and says india needs more politicians like him.
the mullah argument was the best. first he says the muslims don't like homosexuality. then he goes on saying that it's some sort of a mental disorder and needs therapy. thapar kept countering his opinions and the mullah in desperation says it's forbidden in islam, thats why. thapar gets a pissed look on his face and asks the mullah that if the hindus were forbidden in islam cause they prayed to multiple gods. ha ha. the look the stunned mullahs face... priceless!!
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i have mixed feelings about homosexuality though, we have people in the society who fantasize about children. then there are people into beastalilty porn. people who collect incest porno stuff.
now if liberal folks want others to understand about homosexuality and it's existence and how it's not a disease then they should also accept these other realities too and call for it's legalization also.
my take on this is that with "freedom" in mind, we discarded our morals and values. if homosexuality is legal then tell me why isn't child porn legal? why isn't incest legal? and why isn't beastalilty legal? why can't two mature, grown up siblings - brother and sister have sex with each other? or goats or sheeps or children?
i don't mean to sound the way i did but i had to lay something off my chest. sometimes i think homosexuality is retarded.
the father from the christian side said he had no problem with the state "decriminalizing" homosexuality but the church had a problem with "legalizing" homosexuality. karan didn't understand the contradictory statement so he asked the father to make some fu"king sense or STFU.
the shiv sena MP had no opinions. i always wondered what the shiv sena stand on this issue was cause the paper wasn't voicing any opinions but rather just printing the news. when thapar asked the dude what he felt about the ruling, he said he was not against it but didn't approve the ruling because of some opinion poll which said that 81% of the people were against homosexuality. then he went on about educating the people in general about homosexualilty and try to build some positive consensus and similar things of intellectual nature. what asked about marriages, he argued on the consensus point again and called for education. thapar by now is surprised with he heard and says india needs more politicians like him.
the mullah argument was the best. first he says the muslims don't like homosexuality. then he goes on saying that it's some sort of a mental disorder and needs therapy. thapar kept countering his opinions and the mullah in desperation says it's forbidden in islam, thats why. thapar gets a pissed look on his face and asks the mullah that if the hindus were forbidden in islam cause they prayed to multiple gods. ha ha. the look the stunned mullahs face... priceless!!
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i have mixed feelings about homosexuality though, we have people in the society who fantasize about children. then there are people into beastalilty porn. people who collect incest porno stuff.
now if liberal folks want others to understand about homosexuality and it's existence and how it's not a disease then they should also accept these other realities too and call for it's legalization also.
my take on this is that with "freedom" in mind, we discarded our morals and values. if homosexuality is legal then tell me why isn't child porn legal? why isn't incest legal? and why isn't beastalilty legal? why can't two mature, grown up siblings - brother and sister have sex with each other? or goats or sheeps or children?
i don't mean to sound the way i did but i had to lay something off my chest. sometimes i think homosexuality is retarded.
the father from the christian side said he had no problem with the state "decriminalizing" homosexuality but the church had a problem with "legalizing" homosexuality. karan didn't understand the contradictory statement so he asked the father to make some fu"king sense or STFU.
Kinda surprised that a quick study like Thapar could not figure this out.
I made the point a few pages back where decriminalising does not imply legalising. It just means what it does, not a crime.
Look how they use the negative ie 'not' to convey the meaning instead of the positive word ie legalise
What this is basically is a no man's land. Yes you are not a criminal but you are maybe not as protected as say someone in the OBC/STs might be. There is no way, currently to bring a case against someone on the basis of descrimination here. But if someone from an OBC/ST can prove the case you go to jail !
You can openly discriminate against gays in terms of employment or housing and there is now way for them to contest it on this basis. But you cannot throw them in jail on these grounds. (feel free to correct this if you can)
The priest (as well as the mullah) want to be able to condemn them in their sermons and not break any laws doing so.
Get it ?
SO to go from no mans land to legal will take a much longer time and the resistance will be intense, bringing in a broader opposition as we wade into murky positive discrimination waters.
the shiv sena MP had no opinions. i always wondered what the shiv sena stand on this issue was cause the paper wasn't voicing any opinions but rather just printing the news. when thapar asked the dude what he felt about the ruling, he said he was not against it but didn't approve the ruling because of some opinion poll which said that 81% of the people were against homosexuality. then he went on about educating the people in general about homosexualilty and try to build some positive consensus and similar things of intellectual nature. what asked about marriages, he argued on the consensus point again and called for education. thapar by now is surprised with he heard and says india needs more politicians like him.
Hah, they played it safe and got the host to vet them as well. SS's chips have been down since the last elections, they cant be too controversial. Tho i have to say i'm also rather surprised at the position taken.
i have mixed feelings about homosexuality though, we have people in the society who fantasize about children. then there are people into beastalilty porn. people who collect incest porno stuff.
now if liberal folks want others to understand about homosexuality and it's existence and how it's not a disease then they should also accept these other realities too and call for it's legalization also.
my take on this is that with "freedom" in mind, we discarded our morals and values. if homosexuality is legal then tell me why isn't child porn legal? why isn't incest legal? and why isn't beastalilty legal? why can't two mature, grown up siblings - brother and sister have sex with each other? or goats or sheeps or children?
You are using the wrong reasoning here for bestiality & child pr0n.
For starters how to prove animal has given consent ?
Child pr0n involves ppl below the age of consent that even if they do agree are not in a legal position to do so.
So no these above cannot be decriminalised using the same arguments that were used for gays.
i don't mean to sound the way i did but i had to lay something off my chest. sometimes i think homosexuality is retarded.
Its a common trap to fall into. Hopefully it makes sense now.
Kinda surprised that a quick study like Thapar could not figure this out.
I made the point a few pages back where decriminalising does not imply legalising. It just means what it does, not a crime.
Look how they use the negative ie 'not' to convey the meaning instead of the positive word ie legalise
What this is basically is a no man's land. Yes you are not a criminal but you are maybe not as protected as say someone in the OBC/STs might be. There is no way, currently to bring a case against someone on the basis of descrimination here. But if someone from an OBC/ST can prove the case you go to jail !
You can openly discriminate against gays in terms of employment or housing and there is now way for them to contest it on this basis. But you cannot throw them in jail on these grounds. (feel free to correct this if you can)
The priest (as well as the mullah) want to be able to condemn them in their sermons and not break any laws doing so.
Get it ?
SO to go from no mans land to legal will take a much longer time and the resistance will be intense, bringing in a broader opposition as we wade into murky positive discrimination waters.
the shiv sena MP had no opinions. i always wondered what the shiv sena stand on this issue was cause the paper wasn't voicing any opinions but rather just printing the news. when thapar asked the dude what he felt about the ruling, he said he was not against it but didn't approve the ruling because of some opinion poll which said that 81% of the people were against homosexuality. then he went on about educating the people in general about homosexualilty and try to build some positive consensus and similar things of intellectual nature. what asked about marriages, he argued on the consensus point again and called for education. thapar by now is surprised with he heard and says india needs more politicians like him.
Hah, they played it safe and got the host to vet them as well. SS's chips have been down since the last elections, they cant be too controversial. Tho i have to say i'm also rather surprised at the position taken.
i have mixed feelings about homosexuality though, we have people in the society who fantasize about children. then there are people into beastalilty porn. people who collect incest porno stuff.
now if liberal folks want others to understand about homosexuality and it's existence and how it's not a disease then they should also accept these other realities too and call for it's legalization also.
my take on this is that with "freedom" in mind, we discarded our morals and values. if homosexuality is legal then tell me why isn't child porn legal? why isn't incest legal? and why isn't beastalilty legal? why can't two mature, grown up siblings - brother and sister have sex with each other? or goats or sheeps or children?
You are using the wrong reasoning here for bestiality & child pr0n.
For starters how to prove animal has given consent ?
Child pr0n involves ppl below the age of consent that even if they do agree are not in a legal position to do so.
So no these above cannot be decriminalised using the same arguments that were used for gays.
i don't mean to sound the way i did but i had to lay something off my chest. sometimes i think homosexuality is retarded.
Its a common trap to fall into. Hopefully it makes sense now.
