So, the government is now targeting newspapers for not being supportive enough?

[ashish]

wow!! that was quite an effort from you mascot,giving a point to point rebuttal by copy pasting the quotes.

 

[Jaymin]

^^^^U may participate if u wish! We have turns for this.

 

[ashish]

lol.

another link of "paid news"

‘Paid News’: First meeting of GoM tomorrow - Indian Express

CIC cracks whip on paid news phenomenon - India - DNA

 

[IndianMascot]

wow!! that was quite an effort from you mascot,giving a point to point rebuttal by copy pasting the quotes.

Thanks Dude I learnt this from blr_p . He sud be credited

 

[blr_p]

Debate doesnt hapen by means of breaking up 6 lines into 12, and then viewing each line in isolation. U r doing that. And that is termed is arguing, coz u cross the fine line between debate & argument. Debate is something where u r open to views expressed by the other people. And if u find that u cant counter it, u accept that view.
The reason posts get broken up that way is because you start with a faulty premise and then go off in the wrong direction. I am able to break the posts down because i can see flaws sometimes at the sentence level. Its all debate. It happens on all the good forums i'm on. I've been doing it for many years now. Its very OBVIOUS to me you & a number of others here do not. You're getting an education, so stop fcuking whining. I'm still waiting for you to contribute to my mine. Out of a 100 posts of yours you did that maybe 10 times and i acknowledged it.

Secondly, its respectful of the poster because you actually take the trouble to look at every thing they said and offer your answers. Its precise because you know EXACTLY what it is i'm replying to ie there is no misunderstanding. This cannot happen when we speak but only when we write. A written medium is much more powerful that way.

I am open to views provided they have some basis otherwise they are worthless and that is what you ppl need to understand. Arguing is when you've been told your full of it and still keep on harping about your point. I told you i dont care for a democracy of opinions. I want the reasoned opinions. In other places i interact with ppl that can do this and its quite hard to counter what they say. In the end i have to agree to disagree but thats fine.

Whereas argument, is just trying to negate the other person's views - at whatever costs possible. If it involves mince-meating of words, so be it. When u dont seem to have any counter against the views we put across, u just argue for the sake of it. So u r not open to views that the others express. Thats not the way to debate. Thats sheer argument.

And so, we run out of steam when u do nit-picking of each and every post of ours.
Nah, i have a basis for saying what i do. Its pretty damn clear to anybody with a brain. Arguing for the sake of it is a waste of my time and adds nothing to the topic. When you pick weak premises be sure i will shoot it down. I wish more would do it then i could just read and be informed instead of having to jump in as often as i have.


Now this post of mine is in 4 parts. I can bet, u will make a minimum of 8 parts of it & post ur replies. That really pisses any1 off. If i post a comment in 4 parts, then that means i intend it to be in 4 parts & not more. U cant take the liberty to break up it up into 8 or more parts. So, in the end, it wud turn out that i wont bother to reply back, when u reply to this post.
I give a shit about your emotions or how you feel. You want me to do it less then make good posts. Provide artcles to support your viewpoint.

Now get back to the topic at hand !

 

[blr_p]

I would like to post your comment only in reply “Just bcoz they are not publcised can also very well mean it never happened ” . If there is no good deeds they obvoiusly they have done all bad deeds.

I don't understand what you are saying here.

Voter are neither dumb nor intelligent enough to cast vote brilliantly. Votors cated votes on the good works done by local MLAs and on the fake Innocent Image of MMS, but this isn’t be repeated this time.

We will know the answer in the next elections.

The mood will even strengthen because of the ongoing Scams and Ministers going to Jail.

Yet, at the same time lie the seeds for salvation of the present adminstration. Fine, the ppl are unhappy, does the govt respond and address those grievances. If they don't they will be kicked out. There is still time. Now, i don't know whether they will suceed but i'm not betting against them either yet.

What the polls say today will not be the same in 2 years time. not to mention so many times these polls have been show to be completely wrong even when held as exit polls. Nobody knows. But for you its a god given fact that UPAwill lose.

I don’t agree. Share some facts and figure pls.

Numbers of voters in villages is much more than in the cities. Ppl in the villages vote more often than those in the cities.

The vote banks are in the villages on the basis of caste, community etc. Chatting with ppl on another forum i was told the rural votebanks are safe for now.

Its bcoz arguement reveals one’s personality and their vision. And I leant from you only not to mind all these unproductive things and Move On, so why are you eying on these things.

I don't take kindly to the statement we live in a dictatorship and neither should you.

Enough backing had been provided in this thread and Emotions are equally attached with the mind when it comes to vote for any party.

No it has not, each time it was i showed where it was lacking. All i can say is the situation is not clear. Which is very different to what you are saying. I know all too well that emotions are involved i'm suggesting you lose them and think.

Here we like to discuss and understand the reasons for those emotions. Whether they are justified or not.

Its very difficult to prove is my point, you can add more articles but i'm of the opinion that you will never quite succeed. Now if this is a policy of pressure by the govt then they are being very cunning, because its very hard to prove. Maybe the economic model for newspapers needs to change so such tactics cannot be used. Ofc price of newspapers will go up as a result so we will have to live with it. In any case the solution as we've seen is to complain about it and then things straighten up.

I don't like the idea of DAVP, it sounds like a censor of free speech.

Neither is ours to make a particular member of this forum satisfy. And if you wanna know I can create a Poll to show you result whether you are neutral or baised , but that will be a personal pin-pointing and I would like to avoid that.

If you cannot defend your argument you won't just be failing to satisfy me, you will have failed to make your point.

Think about it, you're not satisifying me, you're backing up your own position and making it credible. The stronger you make it the harder it is to counter and the more likely that its is credible. Then we can go on and build ontop of it. This is how it should work. Otherwise anybody with a brain will just ignore what you said. You let yourself down not me.

And Let me remind you, we all are against UPA Govt bcoz of their Scams and incompetancy in handling inflation, terrorism, corruption etc and not against you.

Whos the we here ? a handful of ppl that is all. What i see in this forum isn't representative on larger forums. This is not going to turn into an anti-UPA joint. That you can be sure of. I ain't interested in one sided selective stories.

I come from a BJP state, you want to know what kind of crap we had to deal with here. Read this..

Villains galore in Karnataka

That was a balanced article, usually its either pro or anti-BJP. Both parties screwed up. So being anti-UPA is biased. I can easily be anti-BJP. Then we end up in a flaming match which is a waste of time.

Even if they are new in industry and wanna make themselves sensational, they are publishing reports with proofs. Aaj Tak, Star News were not No. 1 right from Day 1, still they published real news from Day 1 and we believed it. So, why a second thought for DNA ??

How many times do i have to say this. What DNA says alone isn't enough. Its just anecdotal.

I don't watch AAj Tak & Star News, but ppl have told me they are not very good.

I don’t agree. Show me some evidence . Telcos and others are talking abt this rite from the day of Spectrum allocation in case of 2G Scams

It was the CAG & PAC reports that formed the basis to protest against these scams. Before that nobody was talking about it. It all kicked off towards the end of 2009. Maybe some insiders but it did not get anywhere near the coverage earlier. There were suspicions but nothing more.

And If we keep on following your ideology, then we will die before the facts are justified in Court.

Idealogy ? Innocent until proven guilty is idealogy for you ? FYI that is what happens in free countries.

Dictatorships ototh are the other way, guilty until proven innocent. That is what i see with ppl that have already made up their minds over who is guilty or not. This is nothing but bias and i will ruthlessly expose it.

If it cannot be proved in court then it did not happen. Simple as that. That is life get used to it. Going off rumours & speculation as the basis for making arguments does not strike me as very mature nor intelligent. You can say anything in that case and who knows whether you are right or not. There is no way to prove what you said is wrong so the onus should be on you to show its justified.

Few of us including me are not so fluent and perfect in English and I don't think its a English classroom where one should discuss on words like " Argue & Debate ".

We are not talking about cricket here, we are talking about issues that affect all of our lives and you want to treat that trivially because you cannot understand the language being used ?

So we must lower the stds here because some of us cannot speak. Tell you what, Why don't you improve yourself in that case instead of holding others back. What is stopping you ? Read, read, read more. Post more.

Its funny you say classroom because its only in the classroom that they make streams from differently abled ppl.

No, we are not in a classroom. we are in the real world you either swim or sink.

From what you said in the other thread, you are proud you are doing well. Good, but the day will come when you have to work with contracts and one word can make all the difference between suceeding & failing. Think about it.

Even News Channels start a discussion which all the times turn out to be arguement. If they never complain, they lets not complain it here too.

Those channels are a waste of time. They are purposely creating argument to attract TRPs. Do not waste your time with such shows. You will only increase your blood pressure and learn nothing. 90% emotions & 10% insight. Some shows are better than others, watch Karan, avoid Arnab.

Watch the shows on lok sabha tv, i find there is very little argument and much more facts. They have professors come on and throw light on various subjects. 1 on one, Public forum i found to be very good shows, you actually learn instead of getting upset.

There is a very simple test to judge the quality of these shows, how much did you learn. were you informed. That is it. If you are happy you got answers then that is better than being left with questions and felling upset after.

Also try to avoid ones where party spokesppl are present because one will contradict the other and it becomes a verbal slinging match with one trying to lie more than the other. Who knows which one is speaking the truth. nobody, truth is not important only defending the party matters. This is useless to me, i dont belong to any party, i want to understand what is happening and what the govt is doing about it, that is it.

History is repeating

Over my dead body.

Do you know what happened during 75-77 ? that you can defend the use of the word dictatorship being used !!!

In the south we did not face too much problems, some even supported it, they just put their heads down and went about their business trying to make ends meet and support their family. In the north & east they got hammered badly, the most bitter memories are from there .

140,000 politicans & media persons jailed. And that is what is known, what about stuff that was kept secret. I would not joke about it. Its a period of shame for the country. Biggest democracy in the world, my ass!.

 

[Jaymin]

I don't understand what you are saying here.

Now i tell u what, u cant understand plain English & are suggesting Mascot to read more, and learn more English.......Seriously?? Its simple thing written by him - That UPA hasnt done any good deed & hence it hasnt got publicised ever! He just means to tell u, that just coz UPA hasnt done "Any Good thing", it shudnt be eligible to be in power!

What do u have to say about ur higher level ministers getting caught in the biggest scam of the nation? Ur so called "Clean PM" is also a party to it.

So u tell us, what UPA has done, to be eligible for staying in power.

We will know the answer in the next elections.

Yeah, thats why i am getting my Voter ID ready AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE. Chances are bright that this Govt will have to leave mid-term. And i have to be ready with my necessities to cast my vote.

The vote banks are in the villages on the basis of caste, community etc. Chatting with ppl on another forum i was told the rural votebanks are safe for now.

STATS PLEASE!!! We always look for evidence. Just like u dont take the pains to search pettiest of things, we dont want to search for this.

I don't take kindly to the statement we live in a dictatorship and neither should you.

"Disguised Dictatorship" is worse than real Dictatorship. V form part of the former. For the records, Fanboys will say "Show where is Emergency state declared". But the reality is that u dare speak against the People running the Govt & u r behind bars, u r killed, u r labelled traitor & what not.
U show me 1 valid reason to prove Annaji is corrupt & i will stop "Debating" and accept ur point.

Whos the we here ? a handful of ppl that is all. What i see in this forum isn't representative on larger forums.

the "WE" here is the LAKHS OF PEOPLE WHO CAME OUT ON STREETS, when Police arrested Annaji. If u r under the impression that the "We" forms a "Handful" of people in this Forum, then well, I humbly advise u to go out of ur cosy room, have a chat with people in ur family, have a chat with ur friends, ur colleagues. Leave that. I may be talking something impossible for some Congi fanboy like u. Just read around on FB or G+ or any Social Networking site, to feel the odds that are stacked against UPA.

So i DIRECT UR WORDS ON U - If a "HANDFUL" of people on some xyz forum is saying in favor of Congress, then well i wud love to know who is the Admin there. It surely must be run by Kapil Sibal. Andher Nagri, Chaupat Raja! In a Congi fanboy forum, u will always find supporters of Congress.

Whereas here, people like are there - WHO WERE LEAST INTERESTED IN the word "Politics". And just on the basis of what has happened in the past few days, we feel that its a SERIOUS breach of my freedom to live, my freedom to speech. This is Democracy. And if the people running the Govt are wrong, I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO SPEAK AGAINST THEM. No Sibals & Chidus shud even DARE TO STOP ME.

How many times do i have to say this. What DNA says alone isn't enough. Its just anecdotal.

I don't watch AAj Tak & Star News, but ppl have told me they are not very good.

I am sure u will only name DD News as a "Credible" news channel when it comes to this topic. So we can gauge ur level of knowledge from that. no point arguing, oops, DEBATING here!

It was the CAG & PAC reports that formed the basis to protest against these scams. Before that nobody was talking about it. It all kicked off towards the end of 2009. Maybe some insiders but it did not get anywhere near the coverage earlier. There were suspicions but nothing more.

We dont believe in ur words. Show us proof, which mentions that PAC only or CAG only, initiated the inquiry.
Or leave that. What about the fact that Manmohan backed Raja, who landed up in Jail. He then backed Chidu, who is also stuck in the same case. Then he backed himself & he is also in the case now! What a pity. I hope he backs Antonia & Raul Vinci soon!

Oh, and how can i forget my favorite - Kapil Sibal!!!

If it cannot be proved in court then it did not happen. Simple as that. That is life get used to it. Going off rumours & speculation as the basis for making arguments does not strike me as very mature nor intelligent. You can say anything in that case and who knows whether you are right or not. There is no way to prove what you said is wrong so the onus should be on you to show its justified.

That way only, Annaji's "Corruption" is yet to be proven in any court. So who the hell gave the right to that SOB to speak against Annaji? We will also "Ruthlessly expose" this bias.

We are not talking about cricket here, we are talking about issues that affect all of our lives and you want to treat that trivially because you cannot understand the language being used ?

So we must lower the stds here because some of us cannot speak. Tell you what, Why don't you improve yourself in that case instead of holding others back. What is stopping you ? Read, read, read more. Post more.

Its funny you say classroom because its only in the classroom that they make streams from differently abled ppl.

No, we are not in a classroom. we are in the real world you either swim or sink.

From what you said in the other thread, you are proud you are doing well. Good, but the day will come when you have to work with contracts and one word can make all the difference between suceeding & failing. Think about it.

I think i have already given a "Dose" on this. U didnt understand the plain English used in first line!! get ur language polished as well. "Amateurs" like us, have to sit & explain u such basic things.

 

[IndianMascot]

I don't understand what you are saying here.

Bcoz , you don't want to understand. Leave it !!!

We will know the answer in the next elections.

Exactly, neithet me nor you can do anything except casting votes according to out brains and emotions.

Yet, at the same time lie the seeds for salvation of the present adminstration. Fine, the ppl are unhappy, does the govt respond and address those grievances. If they don't they will be kicked out. There is still time. Now, i don't know whether they will suceed but i'm not betting against them either yet.

Have they addressed grievances till now. I don't think so.

What the polls say today will not be the same in 2 years time. not to mention so many times these polls have been show to be completely wrong even when held as exit polls. Nobody knows. But for you its a god given fact that UPAwill lose.


Numbers of voters in villages is much more than in the cities. Ppl in the villages vote more often than those in the cities.

The vote banks are in the villages on the basis of caste, community etc. Chatting with ppl on another forum i was told the rural votebanks are safe for now.

I am surprised to know that people from Villages are members of other forum. Its not God given, but I won't like to further DEBATE on it. Lets wait till 2014.

I don't take kindly to the statement we live in a dictatorship and neither should you.

ofcourse not.

No it has not, each time it was i showed where it was lacking. All i can say is the situation is not clear. Which is very different to what you are saying. I know all too well that emotions are involved i'm suggesting you lose them and think.

Here we like to discuss and understand the reasons for those emotions. Whether they are justified or not.

Its very difficult to prove is my point, you can add more articles but i'm of the opinion that you will never quite succeed. Now if this is a policy of pressure by the govt then they are being very cunning, because its very hard to prove. Maybe the economic model for newspapers needs to change so such tactics cannot be used. Ofc price of newspapers will go up as a result so we will have to live with it. In any case the solution as we've seen is to complain about it and then things straighten up.

I don't like the idea of DAVP, it sounds like a censor of free speech.

Its you who always deny the reports and threads. Let other too object and everyone's mentality will be changed.

If you cannot defend your argument you won't just be failing to satisfy me, you will have failed to make your point.

Think about it, you're not satisifying me, you're backing up your own position and making it credible. The stronger you make it the harder it is to counter and the more likely that its is credible. Then we can go on and build ontop of it. This is how it should work. Otherwise anybody with a brain will just ignore what you said. You let yourself down not me.

I am still happy with that. In this bunch of member forum, I have satisfied almost all. If you think I am wrong, let other speak abt it. and it doesn't matter if I make myself down . I am not a big celebrity, minister or Industriliast who is so egoistic that wud screw up everything for a mere Hawa Hawai Debate.

Whos the we here ? a handful of ppl that is all. What i see in this forum isn't representative on larger forums. This is not going to turn into an anti-UPA joint. That you can be sure of. I ain't interested in one sided selective stories.

No one will stop either me or you leaving this forum and joining a bigger one. Bt my problem is that I have a work which gives me salary and I fulfill my dreams and desires with that money. So this small forum is enough for me. I have no plan to become Philospher or Political critic. and If you are not satisfied or agree to me, ignore me . Its Simple

I come from a BJP state, you want to know what kind of crap we had to deal with here. Read this..

Villains galore in Karnataka

That was a balanced article, usually its either pro or anti-BJP. Both parties screwed up. So being anti-UPA is biased. I can easily be anti-BJP. Then we end up in a flaming match which is a waste of time.

You once said that never heard of this news portal before. So if you had discarded it that time, then lets discard it this time too.

How many times do i have to say this. What DNA says alone isn't enough. Its just anecdotal.

I don't watch AAj Tak & Star News, but ppl have told me they are not very good.

Even I don't agree that Aaj Tak & Star News are good, but you didn't answered the actual point here. Bt anyways Ignore it.

It was the CAG & PAC reports that formed the basis to protest against these scams. Before that nobody was talking about it. It all kicked off towards the end of 2009. Maybe some insiders but it did not get anywhere near the coverage earlier. There were suspicions but nothing more.

Again the same answer. So mine would again be the same.

Idealogy ? Innocent until proven guilty is idealogy for you ? FYI that is what happens in free countries.

Dictatorships ototh are the other way, guilty until proven innocent. That is what i see with ppl that have already made up their minds over who is guilty or not. This is nothing but bias and i will ruthlessly expose it.

If it cannot be proved in court then it did not happen. Simple as that. That is life get used to it. Going off rumours & speculation as the basis for making arguments does not strike me as very mature nor intelligent. You can say anything in that case and who knows whether you are right or not. There is no way to prove what you said is wrong so the onus should be on you to show its justified.

Then lets wait for Chidu to be in Tihar like Raja and Kalmadi.

We are not talking about cricket here, we are talking about issues that affect all of our lives and you want to treat that trivially because you cannot understand the language being used ?

So we must lower the stds here because some of us cannot speak. Tell you what, Why don't you improve yourself in that case instead of holding others back. What is stopping you ? Read, read, read more. Post more.

Its funny you say classroom because its only in the classroom that they make streams from differently abled ppl.

No, we are not in a classroom. we are in the real world you either swim or sink.

From what you said in the other thread, you are proud you are doing well. Good, but the day will come when you have to work with contracts and one word can make all the difference between suceeding & failing. Think about it.

And its doesn't effect me too who so ever remain in Power and who not. and I don't have much time . If gt would sure read more. Thankyou

Those channels are a waste of time. They are purposely creating argument to attract TRPs. Do not waste your time with such shows. You will only increase your blood pressure and learn nothing. 90% emotions & 10% insight. Some shows are better than others, watch Karan, avoid Arnab.

Watch the shows on lok sabha tv, i find there is very little argument and much more facts. They have professors come on and throw light on various subjects. 1 on one, Public forum i found to be very good shows, you actually learn instead of getting upset.

There is a very simple test to judge the quality of these shows, how much did you learn. were you informed. That is it. If you are happy you got answers then that is better than being left with questions and felling upset after.

Also try to avoid ones where party spokesppl are present because one will contradict the other and it becomes a verbal slinging match with one trying to lie more than the other. Who knows which one is speaking the truth. nobody, truth is not important only defending the party matters. This is useless to me, i dont belong to any party, i want to understand what is happening and what the govt is doing about it, that is it.

I got only 3-4 hrs in a day to watch TV. So, rarely watch news anymore. But yes, I avoid watching news channels and prefer DD.

Over my dead body.

Do you know what happened during 75-77 ? that you can defend the use of the word dictatorship being used !!!

In the south we did not face too much problems, some even supported it, they just put their heads down and went about their business trying to make ends meet and support their family. In the north & east they got hammered badly, the most bitter memories are from there .

140,000 politicans & media persons jailed. And that is what is known, what about stuff that was kept secret. I would not joke about it. Its a period of shame for the country. Biggest democracy in the world, my ass!.

Never heard abt such incidents. I would try to find out bt it would help if you post some source here

 

[Jaymin]

I think it will take a week for blr_p to draft a reply to double debate now!!

 

[IndianMascot]

No Buddy. He will draft it soon, bcoz he is a person who is interested in politics and active on other larger forums. So, I would like to close all debate with him as I can't make an individual satisfied and that too for filthy politics. Our Other sections are good and productive. Let it be for time paas only and those who interested for serious discussion should continue