mgcarley
Founder, Hayai Broadband
well local infrastructure and stuff obviously cost money especially in the absence of LLU and even with LLU there would be rental costs etc..but i was just referring to the int'l bandwidth part of the statement..*if* at all there is a bandwidth crunch in india, i would think its largely due to cartelisation rather than actual costs/availability of bandwidth..
LLU rental costs would probably be cheaper than what ISPs pay to cablewalas and the rental fees which subscribers also pay. There isn't really a bandwidth crunch, per se, but there are delivery issues on some networks that cause problems - most are fine, but a few are not.
that is a possibility of course. hard to find out the backend details. private companies, RTI is not going to work.
It's pretty straightforward to guess from looking glasses. A lot less than 10% of available capacity is utilized.
there are bigger problems than FUP now days mainly throttling of speeds on p2p and ytube. So even if someone buys a expensive plan with high FUP he isn't really getting any benefit...
Youtube is the last thing that should be throttled. With the availability of local caches (even Airtel has them, believe it or not!!) a 5+mbit/s net connection should be able to support 720p videos with no buffering no problem. I've demonstrated the same on my connection with 1080p.
Torrent throttling is fairly commonplace worldwide, and not necessarily a bad thing because then the network at least doesn't become so bogged down with torrent traffic that other legitimate services (VoD/IPTV, Streaming etc) fail completely. Even then, prioritization should be based on network activity, not permanently throttled to anything like 256k - if the network is mostly idle, let the torrents run, but if everyone is streaming stuff from the Indian equivalent of Netflix, let torrents be throttled just enough so that those services aren't affected.
^ the problem is that ur quoted numbers are based on a particular price point of buying for a reseller not the owner. to put it in a simple way i think international connectivity costs nothing for airtel and reliance. they might even have recovered their costs,who knows. I think BW is a part which the biggie's don't really care about specially for their own operations. The 2000 rs plan of airtel can be sold for 750 if they really want even with profits. But as @cyberwiz said all are in cross-subsidizing and cartelisation mode.
Maybe.Most submarine cables have a payback time of 5-10 years, but Indian companies in particular don't like having that much debt for that long. The Rs2,000 plan could probably be sold for a lot less than Rs2,000 but maybe not Rs750 - depends how much their infrastructure/overheads cost them.
LLU rental costs would probably be cheaper than what ISPs pay to cablewalas and the rental fees which subscribers also pay. There isn't really a bandwidth crunch, per se, but there are delivery issues on some networks that cause problems - most are fine, but a few are not.
that is a possibility of course. hard to find out the backend details. private companies, RTI is not going to work.
It's pretty straightforward to guess from looking glasses. A lot less than 10% of available capacity is utilized.
there are bigger problems than FUP now days mainly throttling of speeds on p2p and ytube. So even if someone buys a expensive plan with high FUP he isn't really getting any benefit...
Youtube is the last thing that should be throttled. With the availability of local caches (even Airtel has them, believe it or not!!) a 5+mbit/s net connection should be able to support 720p videos with no buffering no problem. I've demonstrated the same on my connection with 1080p.
Torrent throttling is fairly commonplace worldwide, and not necessarily a bad thing because then the network at least doesn't become so bogged down with torrent traffic that other legitimate services (VoD/IPTV, Streaming etc) fail completely. Even then, prioritization should be based on network activity, not permanently throttled to anything like 256k - if the network is mostly idle, let the torrents run, but if everyone is streaming stuff from the Indian equivalent of Netflix, let torrents be throttled just enough so that those services aren't affected.
^ the problem is that ur quoted numbers are based on a particular price point of buying for a reseller not the owner. to put it in a simple way i think international connectivity costs nothing for airtel and reliance. they might even have recovered their costs,who knows. I think BW is a part which the biggie's don't really care about specially for their own operations. The 2000 rs plan of airtel can be sold for 750 if they really want even with profits. But as @cyberwiz said all are in cross-subsidizing and cartelisation mode.
Maybe.Most submarine cables have a payback time of 5-10 years, but Indian companies in particular don't like having that much debt for that long. The Rs2,000 plan could probably be sold for a lot less than Rs2,000 but maybe not Rs750 - depends how much their infrastructure/overheads cost them.
