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What would you do with a 100mbit/s or 1Gbit/s connection?
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well you din't have to d/l a full distro for recovery and emergencies , get damm small linux, at 50 mb only it is amazing as a live session cd, usb etc
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I may have answered this before but here goes.
With 1Gbit connection, I will try to download any movies like crazy for a month or two. Then novelty will wear off (storage space running out perhaps?) and I would be back to usual self. Streaming, ocassional osx update downloads and that's it. So I would max out at around 100-200 GB per month.
With 1Gbit connection, I will try to download any movies like crazy for a month or two. Then novelty will wear off (storage space running out perhaps?) and I would be back to usual self. Streaming, ocassional osx update downloads and that's it. So I would max out at around 100-200 GB per month.
My novelty with a 500 kbit connection too has worn off! I am wondering what else shud i download? Nothing much left except for few songs, or some really good movies that might come in future. HDD space, well we can still manage to throw in 2.5k & get an extra TB, but its of no use to me right now! Especially after my Internal HDD returns, i will have 2 TB space!
mgcarley
Founder, Hayai Broadband
I would use it to get my work done faster. I would probably never use much portion of it but when I am doing something important like directory submissions, articles submissions or other things related to SEO and website design then I would utilize it to get my work done faster. For example, if I am using it for directory submissions with 20 threads used up at a time then I would use it to make it a 100 threads and complete the directory submission lot in say a few minutes and get on to next work and concentrating on my website content etc. again.
Excellent. This is what we want to help enable.
Download Linux Distros.......I am very fond of them....
That could be taken as Linux distros or "Linux Distros" (as in, code for torrents)
What has Linux Distros to do with internet speed. I also use only Ubuntu on one of my laptops and also use Linux on every hosting or dedicated server. But how is that related to bandwidth by any means. :blink3:
A lot. Having 20+ mbit/s and local mirrors makes net installs much more pleasant, I can tell you that from personal experience. When setting up the servers for Hayai NZ, we did custom network installs of all the OSes having booted from a USB key - grand total time to install? Maybe 20 or 30 minutes each, max.
One thing I dislike a bit about Linux distros for personal computer usage is that most software are not compatible with Linux and for an advanced computer user that is a handicap. However, overall Linux is a very good distro and most Indians who go for pirated Windows should instead opt for Ubuntu or some other Linux distro for their personal use. And they can use open source alternatives to many popular software for doing their work.
Ahh, I see we have someone from the Windows only world who doesn't yet know about the cross-platform capabilities of many software titles and the software available on Linux to enable the same. But I would agree that distros like Ubuntu or Fedora (with a user interface like Sugar) could go a long way to helping novice computer users get a working system quickly - and cheaply - rather than having pirated versions of Windows which may become problematic after some time due to reasons including but not limited to malware.
As already said people like experimenting and I am certainly one of those.....Right now I have a BSNL 750 UL plan which gives my about 55 KB/s peak while downloading torrent...So downloading an .iso of 600 MB takes 3 hrs which is irritating....and its certainly not the only thing I would love to download....
The same could be said about updates for any operating system or software: you don't have to wait for 20 minutes to download the latest version of some software like Skype (~25MB), or the latest version of Avast (~50MB) - it all comes down in a few seconds and voila - big time saver.
well you din't have to d/l a full distro for recovery and emergencies , get damm small linux, at 50 mb only it is amazing as a live session cd, usb etc
DSL information
Or as mentioned above, a if one is installing a fresh OS, they coule simply get a netboot install of the same (and leave it going overnight if they have to).
I may have answered this before but here goes.
With 1Gbit connection, I will try to download any movies like crazy for a month or two. Then novelty will wear off (storage space running out perhaps?) and I would be back to usual self. Streaming, ocassional osx update downloads and that's it. So I would max out at around 100-200 GB per month.
This is the kind of usage we're expecting. Ideally our abuse prevention mechanisms will mitigate users who might go a bit too crazy, but one issue I do wish to prevent from happening is to have users subscribe to us for 2 or 3 months and then change providers back to whoever they were with before (drive-by subscribers?).
Although I'm hoping that our pricing for flat-rate might mitigate that too... even this may not be enough. Does anyone have any practical ideas to combat this?
Excellent. This is what we want to help enable.
Download Linux Distros.......I am very fond of them....
That could be taken as Linux distros or "Linux Distros" (as in, code for torrents)
What has Linux Distros to do with internet speed. I also use only Ubuntu on one of my laptops and also use Linux on every hosting or dedicated server. But how is that related to bandwidth by any means. :blink3:
A lot. Having 20+ mbit/s and local mirrors makes net installs much more pleasant, I can tell you that from personal experience. When setting up the servers for Hayai NZ, we did custom network installs of all the OSes having booted from a USB key - grand total time to install? Maybe 20 or 30 minutes each, max.
One thing I dislike a bit about Linux distros for personal computer usage is that most software are not compatible with Linux and for an advanced computer user that is a handicap. However, overall Linux is a very good distro and most Indians who go for pirated Windows should instead opt for Ubuntu or some other Linux distro for their personal use. And they can use open source alternatives to many popular software for doing their work.
Ahh, I see we have someone from the Windows only world who doesn't yet know about the cross-platform capabilities of many software titles and the software available on Linux to enable the same. But I would agree that distros like Ubuntu or Fedora (with a user interface like Sugar) could go a long way to helping novice computer users get a working system quickly - and cheaply - rather than having pirated versions of Windows which may become problematic after some time due to reasons including but not limited to malware.
As already said people like experimenting and I am certainly one of those.....Right now I have a BSNL 750 UL plan which gives my about 55 KB/s peak while downloading torrent...So downloading an .iso of 600 MB takes 3 hrs which is irritating....and its certainly not the only thing I would love to download....
The same could be said about updates for any operating system or software: you don't have to wait for 20 minutes to download the latest version of some software like Skype (~25MB), or the latest version of Avast (~50MB) - it all comes down in a few seconds and voila - big time saver.
well you din't have to d/l a full distro for recovery and emergencies , get damm small linux, at 50 mb only it is amazing as a live session cd, usb etc
DSL information
Or as mentioned above, a if one is installing a fresh OS, they coule simply get a netboot install of the same (and leave it going overnight if they have to).
I may have answered this before but here goes.
With 1Gbit connection, I will try to download any movies like crazy for a month or two. Then novelty will wear off (storage space running out perhaps?) and I would be back to usual self. Streaming, ocassional osx update downloads and that's it. So I would max out at around 100-200 GB per month.
This is the kind of usage we're expecting. Ideally our abuse prevention mechanisms will mitigate users who might go a bit too crazy, but one issue I do wish to prevent from happening is to have users subscribe to us for 2 or 3 months and then change providers back to whoever they were with before (drive-by subscribers?).
Although I'm hoping that our pricing for flat-rate might mitigate that too... even this may not be enough. Does anyone have any practical ideas to combat this?
Excellent. This is what we want to help enable.
Surely. I am an anti-piracy guy for a long time now especially since I became an established webmaster. If somebody rips off my niche, articles or my website then I get pissed off and so can understand the pain of the original developers or owners of copyrighted contents now. To be frank, 5 years ago I also used to downloaded almost pirated version of every software and also used to use pirated Windows.
Not only me but most Indians used to do so 5 years ago. 10 years ago hardly anybody India knew that they were using pirated things. But things should change right now and hopefully all Indians will pay for the product or opt for open source alternatives of the same as open source has also moved a long way since then and is nearly as competitive and in some cases better than paid software.
A lot. Having 20+ mbit/s and local mirrors makes net installs much more pleasant, I can tell you that from personal experience. When setting up the servers for Hayai NZ, we did custom network installs of all the OSes having booted from a USB key - grand total time to install? Maybe 20 or 30 minutes each, max.
Yes I would agree with that. I bought a new computer a couple of months ago to try out Windows 8 beta whenever it releases in Sept. and to also test out all the various Linux distros and use them for learning purpose. It took quite long to download the linux distros and some did not work out too like CentOS and also consumed up all the FUP bandwidth limit. So, yes a high bandwidth is surely helpful in such cases.
Ahh, I see we have someone from the Windows only world who doesn't yet know about the cross-platform capabilities of many software titles and the software available on Linux to enable the same. But I would agree that distros like Ubuntu or Fedora (with a user interface like Sugar) could go a long way to helping novice computer users get a working system quickly - and cheaply - rather than having pirated versions of Windows which may become problematic after some time due to reasons including but not limited to malware.
If you are saying about Wine then I know about it but Wine does not work with every software. Even with many popular software Wine is not fully compatible. In case of websites and SEO, there are loads of software for various work which are best in their class and only available for Windows. The developers are not as big as the software giants but are developed by individual developer or group of developers and so they would not be released for all platforms as there is hardly much market for premium software especially in Linux. So, Windows is necessary for such situations. Rest most work can be done on Linux and I agree to that. Malware is surely a massive benefit but to be frank even Windows will not get malware if you know to use it properly. If you have a good anti virus and do not download warez and porn the whole day then probably the chances of malware or virus are very less. You are absolutely right about Pirated Versions and to be frank, I have noticed that in some cases even Microsoft might be officially sending malware in pirated versions and I have noticed it when I used it 5-10 years ago. To be frank, the main reason I shifted to legal software and OS instead of pirated ones back then was due to the virus and malware thing. These warez and pirated things are screwed up and are massive virus and malware attractors. Hardly was there a time when even after taking loads of precautions I still had to format my Windows and thereby all software every few months. That caused me heavy business loss and once even my GoDaddy account and link-removed premium account (I also used to download a lot of pirated things from link-removed then and so it was very important ) was hacked then though Godaddy and link-removed were courteous enough to return them to me after verification and told me to take precaution. So, if somebody is serious about their work they should never go for pirated Windows and I completely agree with you on that end.
Surely. I am an anti-piracy guy for a long time now especially since I became an established webmaster. If somebody rips off my niche, articles or my website then I get pissed off and so can understand the pain of the original developers or owners of copyrighted contents now. To be frank, 5 years ago I also used to downloaded almost pirated version of every software and also used to use pirated Windows.
Not only me but most Indians used to do so 5 years ago. 10 years ago hardly anybody India knew that they were using pirated things. But things should change right now and hopefully all Indians will pay for the product or opt for open source alternatives of the same as open source has also moved a long way since then and is nearly as competitive and in some cases better than paid software.A lot. Having 20+ mbit/s and local mirrors makes net installs much more pleasant, I can tell you that from personal experience. When setting up the servers for Hayai NZ, we did custom network installs of all the OSes having booted from a USB key - grand total time to install? Maybe 20 or 30 minutes each, max.
Yes I would agree with that. I bought a new computer a couple of months ago to try out Windows 8 beta whenever it releases in Sept. and to also test out all the various Linux distros and use them for learning purpose. It took quite long to download the linux distros and some did not work out too like CentOS and also consumed up all the FUP bandwidth limit. So, yes a high bandwidth is surely helpful in such cases.
Ahh, I see we have someone from the Windows only world who doesn't yet know about the cross-platform capabilities of many software titles and the software available on Linux to enable the same. But I would agree that distros like Ubuntu or Fedora (with a user interface like Sugar) could go a long way to helping novice computer users get a working system quickly - and cheaply - rather than having pirated versions of Windows which may become problematic after some time due to reasons including but not limited to malware.
If you are saying about Wine then I know about it but Wine does not work with every software. Even with many popular software Wine is not fully compatible. In case of websites and SEO, there are loads of software for various work which are best in their class and only available for Windows. The developers are not as big as the software giants but are developed by individual developer or group of developers and so they would not be released for all platforms as there is hardly much market for premium software especially in Linux. So, Windows is necessary for such situations. Rest most work can be done on Linux and I agree to that. Malware is surely a massive benefit but to be frank even Windows will not get malware if you know to use it properly. If you have a good anti virus and do not download warez and porn the whole day then probably the chances of malware or virus are very less. You are absolutely right about Pirated Versions and to be frank, I have noticed that in some cases even Microsoft might be officially sending malware in pirated versions and I have noticed it when I used it 5-10 years ago. To be frank, the main reason I shifted to legal software and OS instead of pirated ones back then was due to the virus and malware thing. These warez and pirated things are screwed up and are massive virus and malware attractors. Hardly was there a time when even after taking loads of precautions I still had to format my Windows and thereby all software every few months. That caused me heavy business loss and once even my GoDaddy account and link-removed premium account (I also used to download a lot of pirated things from link-removed then and so it was very important
) was hacked then though Godaddy and link-removed were courteous enough to return them to me after verification and told me to take precaution. So, if somebody is serious about their work they should never go for pirated Windows and I completely agree with you on that end.mgcarley
Founder, Hayai Broadband
My novelty with a 500 kbit connection too has worn off! I am wondering what else shud i download? Nothing much left except for few songs, or some really good movies that might come in future. HDD space, well we can still manage to throw in 2.5k & get an extra TB, but its of no use to me right now! Especially after my Internal HDD returns, i will have 2 TB space!
Fair enough, but you can still only have so many hard-drives and so much space unless you're like I used to be with a huge array of them all stacked together. The theory goes that if you can spend Rs2.5k on a new hard drive every month, surely you can think about upgrading your bandwidth too, especially if the ISP in question makes that option an affordable one!
I myself carry around 4TB worth of external hard-drives (1TB strictly for backup, the other 2 for other things and even those are only about 60% full after having them for several months) and at times I too can be a fairly heavy Internet user (so I think I roughly understand all your needs)... but probably not to the tune of 1+TB a month (which is where our "reasonable usage" idea comes in).
Even for users who do use their Internet heavily, it shouldn't be so that you're charged for each *potential* GB that could be transferred: while it might be possible to download 30TB a month on a 100mbit/s connection, it's certainly not practical, and the likelihood of it happening from every single subscriber is virtually non-existent. In this case I'm taking a stab at BSNL: I personally would like to see them revise their FTTH pricing to below Rs10k for 100mbit/s.
Fair enough, but you can still only have so many hard-drives and so much space unless you're like I used to be with a huge array of them all stacked together. The theory goes that if you can spend Rs2.5k on a new hard drive every month, surely you can think about upgrading your bandwidth too, especially if the ISP in question makes that option an affordable one!
I myself carry around 4TB worth of external hard-drives (1TB strictly for backup, the other 2 for other things and even those are only about 60% full after having them for several months) and at times I too can be a fairly heavy Internet user (so I think I roughly understand all your needs)... but probably not to the tune of 1+TB a month (which is where our "reasonable usage" idea comes in).
Even for users who do use their Internet heavily, it shouldn't be so that you're charged for each *potential* GB that could be transferred: while it might be possible to download 30TB a month on a 100mbit/s connection, it's certainly not practical, and the likelihood of it happening from every single subscriber is virtually non-existent. In this case I'm taking a stab at BSNL: I personally would like to see them revise their FTTH pricing to below Rs10k for 100mbit/s.
Yes surely. If i can spend 2.5k on a hard drive that regularly, i can afford to spend behind a good internet connection! I had been saying since long, that i had few Blu rays on download. They all are done, now i dont feel like download anything at all. So basically these kind of high speed connection will just help in saving time & electricity.....as a corollary - money spent on it too!May be there can be an occasional month, where my usage goes double of my normal usage & cases where the usage is next to nil. Else i wud feel 25-30 GB a month is what describes my internet usage. So thats how the "Real unlimited" plan comes in handy for me. Speed isnt that high, but since its unlimited, i can still go beyond that usage when such need arises.
mgcarley
Founder, Hayai Broadband
Yes I would agree with that. I bought a new computer a couple of months ago to try out Windows 8 beta whenever it releases in Sept. and to also test out all the various Linux distros and use them for learning purpose. It took quite long to download the linux distros and some did not work out too like CentOS and also consumed up all the FUP bandwidth limit. So, yes a high bandwidth is surely helpful in such cases.
We agree. Ergo, Hayai Zone.
If you are saying about Wine then I know about it but Wine does not work with every software. Even with many popular software Wine is not fully compatible.
Granted, but where there isn't compatible software, usually there is a F/OSS alternative. I've not found very many programs that I can't make work or replace.
In case of websites and SEO, there are loads of software for various work which are best in their class and only available for Windows.
Or Mac. It's becoming rarer and rarer that software won't work across platform somehow, except if we're talking about the latest versions of software which of course need some time to be "made compatible" or tested.
Malware is surely a massive benefit but to be frank even Windows will not get malware if you know to use it properly.
Which, as I was talking about novices, you can't expect this from.
If you have a good anti virus and do not download warez and porn the whole day then probably the chances of malware or virus are very less.
I disagree. Although it's more difficult to do now, a few years ago I installed a copy of Windows XP and was infected within about 45 seconds of being online - before I could even open a browser to download a firewall or AV. I then spent the next several hours downloading stuff in between popups and other crap, saving it all to a disk, and reinstalling again (and installing AV/FW before plugging in the ethernet cable). As mentioned - it's rarer with modern copies of Windows but certainly not out of the question, and I'm quite sure I'm not the only person to have experienced such a thing.
The thing is that these days even the most innocent looking sites can be infected with drive-by download stuff - my AV alerted me to something the other day when I went to a website featuring an article on (IIRC) Garry Kasparov, but again this comes down to the fact that we're talking about novices: will they have good AV or will they just stick with the default (Norton or McAfee or whatever)? Probably the latter.
Of course, Malware is just one of many issues that can arise when we're talking about novices.
To someone who has never used a computer before, any version of Windows is frankly a bit daunting. I like what Ubuntu has been doing with it's UI. I like what Sugar has done to the UI. These for novices are great - since they're not fundamentally different from certain types of phones (iPhone, Symbian 3, Android) which although usually quite powerful can be picked up and used for their basic purposes because what they need is simply presented right there in front of them.
This is not the case in Gnome, KDE or even on Mac OS (because the icons on the dock and the program names are virtually meaningless to a novice), and as such, in this respect F/OSS is winning not just because of the UIs mentioned but because they're free (and legal and malware free) which is one-less cost to take in to account for manufacturers making budget devices (which seem to be being announced weekly at the moment). And for the users *buying* these budget devices - or even something like an iPad - a simple, easy to use ISP service which is affordable *and* fast will be a boon.
I couldn't walk up to my mother in law and offer her a 10mbit/s service with a 10GB cap because she won't have the faintest clue what the hell I'm on about, nor is she likely to care. She needs to know that it's fast (her email will load quickly), it'll allow her to communicate with the world in the way that she needs to (Skype video will work for talking to her sister abroad) and that even if she does want to download a couple of movies and a bit of music here and there, she can - but not too much... and of course the price - and that in the unlikely event that she approaches whatever limit is set for her, we'll let her know in such a way that she can either not download as much or she can upgrade her plan. These types of people can't be expected to understand megabits, megabytes or "FUP" even if the service has these parameters (and even though the "technical parameters" would be readily available in case she wanted to check with someone who has technical knowledge).
We agree. Ergo, Hayai Zone.
If you are saying about Wine then I know about it but Wine does not work with every software. Even with many popular software Wine is not fully compatible.
Granted, but where there isn't compatible software, usually there is a F/OSS alternative. I've not found very many programs that I can't make work or replace.
In case of websites and SEO, there are loads of software for various work which are best in their class and only available for Windows.
Or Mac. It's becoming rarer and rarer that software won't work across platform somehow, except if we're talking about the latest versions of software which of course need some time to be "made compatible" or tested.
Malware is surely a massive benefit but to be frank even Windows will not get malware if you know to use it properly.
Which, as I was talking about novices, you can't expect this from.
If you have a good anti virus and do not download warez and porn the whole day then probably the chances of malware or virus are very less.
I disagree. Although it's more difficult to do now, a few years ago I installed a copy of Windows XP and was infected within about 45 seconds of being online - before I could even open a browser to download a firewall or AV. I then spent the next several hours downloading stuff in between popups and other crap, saving it all to a disk, and reinstalling again (and installing AV/FW before plugging in the ethernet cable). As mentioned - it's rarer with modern copies of Windows but certainly not out of the question, and I'm quite sure I'm not the only person to have experienced such a thing.
The thing is that these days even the most innocent looking sites can be infected with drive-by download stuff - my AV alerted me to something the other day when I went to a website featuring an article on (IIRC) Garry Kasparov, but again this comes down to the fact that we're talking about novices: will they have good AV or will they just stick with the default (Norton or McAfee or whatever)? Probably the latter.
Of course, Malware is just one of many issues that can arise when we're talking about novices.
To someone who has never used a computer before, any version of Windows is frankly a bit daunting. I like what Ubuntu has been doing with it's UI. I like what Sugar has done to the UI. These for novices are great - since they're not fundamentally different from certain types of phones (iPhone, Symbian 3, Android) which although usually quite powerful can be picked up and used for their basic purposes because what they need is simply presented right there in front of them.
This is not the case in Gnome, KDE or even on Mac OS (because the icons on the dock and the program names are virtually meaningless to a novice), and as such, in this respect F/OSS is winning not just because of the UIs mentioned but because they're free (and legal and malware free) which is one-less cost to take in to account for manufacturers making budget devices (which seem to be being announced weekly at the moment). And for the users *buying* these budget devices - or even something like an iPad - a simple, easy to use ISP service which is affordable *and* fast will be a boon.
I couldn't walk up to my mother in law and offer her a 10mbit/s service with a 10GB cap because she won't have the faintest clue what the hell I'm on about, nor is she likely to care. She needs to know that it's fast (her email will load quickly), it'll allow her to communicate with the world in the way that she needs to (Skype video will work for talking to her sister abroad) and that even if she does want to download a couple of movies and a bit of music here and there, she can - but not too much... and of course the price - and that in the unlikely event that she approaches whatever limit is set for her, we'll let her know in such a way that she can either not download as much or she can upgrade her plan. These types of people can't be expected to understand megabits, megabytes or "FUP" even if the service has these parameters (and even though the "technical parameters" would be readily available in case she wanted to check with someone who has technical knowledge).