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That's why asked you bcoz site is still down . No issue, I will set Hayai as homepage and wud gt to know when its up . 
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What would you do with a 100mbit/s or 1Gbit/s connection?
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mgcarley
Founder, Hayai Broadband
That's why asked you bcoz site is still down . No issue, I will set Hayai as homepage and wud gt to know when its up .
I've given an approximate timeframe as to when the site will go live, which is ~~~September.
I've given an approximate timeframe as to when the site will go live, which is ~~~September.
Lysander29
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Hi Mgcarley- I've been meaning to get back with you on this for a few months now and am just remembering to come back on to the board... Anyways, I found this board as I was questioning what people (basic consumers) could do with streams that fast that is outside of Entertainment purposes. Here in the US speeds on Mobile devices will begin to eclipse home ethernet over the next 2 years. Questions I am asking are based on WHAT can we do on a mobile device that we CAN'T do right now because of speed. Once we can 100Mbs and up- what practical applications can people use these speeds for on a mobile device. I am not looking for anything related to Entertainment or Social Media as this is already in the works by everyone and their sister. I am looking at the area that we have not hit up yet- Law, Medicine, Education, Archetecture, etc... What can be done on platforms that wil support speeds this fast on a mobile device, such as when real 4G becomes available over the next 5 years. And the what about 10 years? In my opinion, Social Media is a very young technology platform. - It's only been mainstream for about 5-8 years from Facebook, Myspace, Friendster, etc. But what other areas have we not touched on yet, and are there some that can only be done once we hit the ability of 100Mbs and beyond.....
mgcarley
Founder, Hayai Broadband
Hi Mgcarley-
Anyways, I found this board as I was questioning what people (basic consumers) could do with streams that fast that is outside of Entertainment purposes. Here in the US speeds on Mobile devices will begin to eclipse home ethernet over the next 2 years.
No they won't, but I digress
Questions I am asking are based on WHAT can we do on a mobile device that we CAN'T do right now because of speed. Once we can 100Mbs and up- what practical applications can people use these speeds for on a mobile device. I am not looking for anything related to Entertainment or Social Media as this is already in the works by everyone and their sister. I am looking at the area that we have not hit up yet- Law, Medicine, Education, Archetecture, etc... What can be done on platforms that wil support speeds this fast on a mobile device, such as when real 4G becomes available over the next 5 years. And the what about 10 years?
We don't actually do anything mobile at this stage - that's a few years away. Many things relating to medicine and law are better off on a fixed-line service anyway because of the other equipment involved: can't exactly drag an MRI out in to the field... but that's not to say mobile devices couldn't be useful anyway, but even then, unless you live in one of the Scandinavian countries where the government knows what you had for breakfast, we could encounter legal issues - including but not limited to that of privacy and confidentiality. With law there are inherent problems with mobile devices such that often they have to be surrendered before entering a room where sensitive information will be passed.
On the other hand, new things can also begin to happen - architecture is an interesting one with the advent of 3D printers, and I've seen what one company in Sweden is doing: creating furniture out of thin-air & plastic by using a special wand to draw the chair/table/whatever and then the computer vectorizes it and creates a plastic model of the same. Quite cool IMO. So the same could (in theory) be done simply by taking a photo of the desired object... and bonus points to anyone with a 3D camera.
Education on the move is also a great idea. When I was at high-school in Japan, I used to travel about 2 hours each way by train between home & school. 3G had only just come out at that time (like, literally just) and if the devices available now were available then, I wouldn't have "wasted" as much time being basically idle. In my case, I could have been practicing Kumon on an iPad and submitting everything over the Internet for grading rather than on paper and in the mail - and the potential for the teacher to be able to log face-time with students would become significantly easier as well because then they're only a video-call away.
In my opinion, Social Media is a very young technology platform. - It's only been mainstream for about 5-8 years from Facebook, Myspace, Friendster, etc. But what other areas have we not touched on yet, and are there some that can only be done once we hit the ability of 100Mbs and beyond.....
We start to look at full & real-time interaction in such a way that it would allow us to do virtually what would otherwise be a normal experience were the same people all together in one place. You in NYC, me in Mumbai, and a friend from NZ could all meet with friends in virtual-Tokyo for whatever reason - social or business. The only disappointing thing for me there is that on some occasions I've led a bit of a "jet-set" Lifestyle, and I love actually going to places.
Anyways, I found this board as I was questioning what people (basic consumers) could do with streams that fast that is outside of Entertainment purposes. Here in the US speeds on Mobile devices will begin to eclipse home ethernet over the next 2 years.
No they won't, but I digress
Questions I am asking are based on WHAT can we do on a mobile device that we CAN'T do right now because of speed. Once we can 100Mbs and up- what practical applications can people use these speeds for on a mobile device. I am not looking for anything related to Entertainment or Social Media as this is already in the works by everyone and their sister. I am looking at the area that we have not hit up yet- Law, Medicine, Education, Archetecture, etc... What can be done on platforms that wil support speeds this fast on a mobile device, such as when real 4G becomes available over the next 5 years. And the what about 10 years?
We don't actually do anything mobile at this stage - that's a few years away. Many things relating to medicine and law are better off on a fixed-line service anyway because of the other equipment involved: can't exactly drag an MRI out in to the field... but that's not to say mobile devices couldn't be useful anyway, but even then, unless you live in one of the Scandinavian countries where the government knows what you had for breakfast, we could encounter legal issues - including but not limited to that of privacy and confidentiality. With law there are inherent problems with mobile devices such that often they have to be surrendered before entering a room where sensitive information will be passed.
On the other hand, new things can also begin to happen - architecture is an interesting one with the advent of 3D printers, and I've seen what one company in Sweden is doing: creating furniture out of thin-air & plastic by using a special wand to draw the chair/table/whatever and then the computer vectorizes it and creates a plastic model of the same. Quite cool IMO. So the same could (in theory) be done simply by taking a photo of the desired object... and bonus points to anyone with a 3D camera.
Education on the move is also a great idea. When I was at high-school in Japan, I used to travel about 2 hours each way by train between home & school. 3G had only just come out at that time (like, literally just) and if the devices available now were available then, I wouldn't have "wasted" as much time being basically idle. In my case, I could have been practicing Kumon on an iPad and submitting everything over the Internet for grading rather than on paper and in the mail - and the potential for the teacher to be able to log face-time with students would become significantly easier as well because then they're only a video-call away.
In my opinion, Social Media is a very young technology platform. - It's only been mainstream for about 5-8 years from Facebook, Myspace, Friendster, etc. But what other areas have we not touched on yet, and are there some that can only be done once we hit the ability of 100Mbs and beyond.....
We start to look at full & real-time interaction in such a way that it would allow us to do virtually what would otherwise be a normal experience were the same people all together in one place. You in NYC, me in Mumbai, and a friend from NZ could all meet with friends in virtual-Tokyo for whatever reason - social or business. The only disappointing thing for me there is that on some occasions I've led a bit of a "jet-set" Lifestyle, and I love actually going to places.
Lysander29
Newbie
mgcarley said:No they won't, but I digress
Well, here's my question then: At home in New Jersey, I am using Cablevision's Optimum Online and seeing speeds anywhere from 30-40 Mbps on downstream and up to 7-ish on the upstream. This is with their "Boost+" service. That's also an extra fee to get that ($15 USD more per month, I believe). The typical download speed has been tested at 13-14Mbps for the average home user in this month's PC Magazine- also flagged as the lowest rated speed in the nation for an ISP. This is not any additional service like I have- it's their most basic tier. Where Comcast was rated at the top of the game at 18.5 on average.
I haven't seen an increase in these home/consumer speeds in over 4 years now- Cablevision's Boost service was previously rated at 30 down and 5 up. I was able to see this as early as 2007 at home in my apartment. Their basic tier was not far off from 10down, 3 up back then and things have not increased much since.
When LTE Advanced hits the market in a few years, mobile speeds should far eclipse these speeds users are seeing at home. Veriaon LTE at their highest rating is already eclipsing what Optimum Online is doing on their lowest rating from a Mobile to Home comparison.
Am I missing something here?
mgcarley
Founder, Hayai Broadband
Well, here's my question then: At home in New Jersey, I am using Cablevision's Optimum Online and seeing speeds anywhere from 30-40 Mbps on downstream and up to 7-ish on the upstream. This is with their "Boost+" service. That's also an extra fee to get that ($15 USD more per month, I believe). The typical download speed has been tested at 13-14Mbps for the average home user in this month's PC Magazine- also flagged as the lowest rated speed in the nation for an ISP. This is not any additional service like I have- it's their most basic tier. Where Comcast was rated at the top of the game at 18.5 on average.
I haven't seen an increase in these home/consumer speeds in over 4 years now- Cablevision's Boost service was previously rated at 30 down and 5 up. I was able to see this as early as 2007 at home in my apartment. Their basic tier was not far off from 10down, 3 up back then and things have not increased much since.
When LTE Advanced hits the market in a few years, mobile speeds should far eclipse these speeds users are seeing at home. Veriaon LTE at their highest rating is already eclipsing what Optimum Online is doing on their lowest rating from a Mobile to Home comparison.
Am I missing something here?
Yes.
Re-read what you've written - you're comparing the lowest wired with the highest wireless - apples to oranges.
To clarify further, the highest Verizon LTE tier is the highest that Verizon can deliver on that medium, whereas the lowest tier is not what Cablevision *can* deliver, it's just what it *does* deliver on that plan. A fairer comparison would be the highest Verizon tier with the highest Cablevision tier - or lowest of both, whichever.
However, unlike the highest LTE tier, that speed can be upgraded, and from a strictly technical perspective the wired option will always have the capability to deliver a higher speed.
2 reasons for this spring to mind:
1. 10Gbit/s over copper is very much available now, but as a consumer can you get (or afford) a 10gbit/s network device for a standard PC? Probably not.
2. The wireless base station is connected by some kind of wired service - it may be ethernet, it may be fiber, in either case a typical BTS will have 1 or 2 gigabit connectors only, the second of which *may* be used with a wireless backup (often Microwave) to prevent catastrophic failures in the event of a cable cut.
LTE advanced BTS may go for 10gbit/s uplinks when they come out, but by then, what might be available on copper or fiber by that time is likely to still be vastly superior. They've recently cracked 100gbit/s over copper and are going for the magical Terabit.
Besides, wireless networks of any and all carriers are far more restrictive in what they'll let you do on them - data caps are virtually always going to be lower on a wireless device than a wired one (2g, 3g, wifi, wimax, lte, doesn't matter), if for no other reason than it is likely to be required in order to maintain a good QoS. At least this is the experience I'm having with my own wireless network and the reason we won't be offering "unlimited" on the same.
But finally, despite all of these advances, what you get as a consumer may also be vastly different from what is available as far as technology is concerned: most consumer PCs barely even handle 1Gbit/s properly anyway, so until that part gets sorted (like we all move to SSD) then there are other bottlenecks caused by these old-school components which need to be eliminated for super-gigabit speeds to be worthwhile.
I haven't seen an increase in these home/consumer speeds in over 4 years now- Cablevision's Boost service was previously rated at 30 down and 5 up. I was able to see this as early as 2007 at home in my apartment. Their basic tier was not far off from 10down, 3 up back then and things have not increased much since.
When LTE Advanced hits the market in a few years, mobile speeds should far eclipse these speeds users are seeing at home. Veriaon LTE at their highest rating is already eclipsing what Optimum Online is doing on their lowest rating from a Mobile to Home comparison.
Am I missing something here?
Yes.
Re-read what you've written - you're comparing the lowest wired with the highest wireless - apples to oranges.
To clarify further, the highest Verizon LTE tier is the highest that Verizon can deliver on that medium, whereas the lowest tier is not what Cablevision *can* deliver, it's just what it *does* deliver on that plan. A fairer comparison would be the highest Verizon tier with the highest Cablevision tier - or lowest of both, whichever.
However, unlike the highest LTE tier, that speed can be upgraded, and from a strictly technical perspective the wired option will always have the capability to deliver a higher speed.
2 reasons for this spring to mind:
1. 10Gbit/s over copper is very much available now, but as a consumer can you get (or afford) a 10gbit/s network device for a standard PC? Probably not.
2. The wireless base station is connected by some kind of wired service - it may be ethernet, it may be fiber, in either case a typical BTS will have 1 or 2 gigabit connectors only, the second of which *may* be used with a wireless backup (often Microwave) to prevent catastrophic failures in the event of a cable cut.
LTE advanced BTS may go for 10gbit/s uplinks when they come out, but by then, what might be available on copper or fiber by that time is likely to still be vastly superior. They've recently cracked 100gbit/s over copper and are going for the magical Terabit.
Besides, wireless networks of any and all carriers are far more restrictive in what they'll let you do on them - data caps are virtually always going to be lower on a wireless device than a wired one (2g, 3g, wifi, wimax, lte, doesn't matter), if for no other reason than it is likely to be required in order to maintain a good QoS. At least this is the experience I'm having with my own wireless network and the reason we won't be offering "unlimited" on the same.
But finally, despite all of these advances, what you get as a consumer may also be vastly different from what is available as far as technology is concerned: most consumer PCs barely even handle 1Gbit/s properly anyway, so until that part gets sorted (like we all move to SSD) then there are other bottlenecks caused by these old-school components which need to be eliminated for super-gigabit speeds to be worthwhile.
