Need atleast 1 Mbps upload speed

[Sumit Sinha]

The 2mbps reliance wireline plan should fulfill those criteria.

The Indian consumer continues to be taken for granted. To even say such a stupid line such as "do not guarantee any upload speed" shows the attitude companies here have towards their customers.

Hi mate,
Which plan are you talking about?
Is it Reliance "Zoom 2" plan, which has 2mbps unlimited (no FUP really?) with monthly charges around 2700-3000rs...but heard somewhere that even their upload is appalling? are you sure they provide a high upload speed?

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you are missing a very important bit here.

internationally, upload speeds are usually awfully low compared to download speeds.

i would mgc to give some data on that. he usually has a lot on everything

Yes completely agree. But on a 2mbps line one expect alteast a 800kbps upstream. In India, the whole broadband scenario is awful ... just have a look at some of the unlimited plans offered by some of the ISPs (read BSNL).... 2-4mbps unlimited 15,000-20,000..this is looting ...i have no qualms againt the FUP thing, but there should be some sense behind those limits.. a 20 GB limit on a 16mbps line..what do they expect a person on a 16mbps line to do?? check mails?

---------- Post added at 11:14 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:13 PM ----------

you are missing a very important bit here.

internationally, upload speeds are usually awfully low compared to download speeds.

i would mgc to give some data on that. he usually has a lot on everything

BTW.. who/What is mgc?? :O

 

[Aman27deep]

Reliance 1 mbps plan provides the same download as upload - my Bad Company 2 clanmate had it - but believe me, if all u wanna do is seed to improve ur ratio, ur better off buying a seedbox.

 

[Sumit Sinha]

Reliance 1 mbps plan provides the same download as upload - my Bad Company 2 clanmate had it - but believe me, if all u wanna do is seed to improve ur ratio, ur better off buying a seedbox.
No i dont want to upload torrents/files nor do i need to upload videos(what i have presently is enough for these)...i need a high upload stream to stream good quality video content online...

 

[sufi]

No FUP. Not completely sure but upload should be 1mbps.My reliance wimax ratio was 1:1.

 

[Sumit Sinha]

No FUP. Not completely sure but upload should be 1mbps.

My reliance wimax ratio was 1:1.

Ok..i have inquired with them..let see what they say... fingers crossed...

 

[mgcarley]

you are missing a very important bit here.

internationally, upload speeds are usually awfully low compared to download speeds.

i would mgc to give some data on that. he usually has a lot on everything

Fair enough, I'll bite.

It is considered that, since most users (residential and business both) are usually not allowed to host any servers of any kind, that the type of line given is asynchronous. That's what the "A" in ADSL stands for, and most last-mile technologies are loosely based on something called ATM where the "A" also stands for "asynchronous" - without going in to the technical details of why it works like this, it's to do with the way different types/sizes of data and voice packets were sent over long distance networks to make things a lot more efficient (back in the days when a T1 or T3 line was fast and carried the backbones of everything from everyone's phone calls to the first data connections).

In other words, let's just say that "this goes back to the old days", and also that even many of the new technologies are still based loosely on the same old concepts.

Hi mate,
Yes completely agree. But on a 2mbps line one expect alteast a 800kbps upstream.

In theory. The maximum transfer speed of ADSL1 is about 800kbit/s, ADSL2+ is about 3.5mbit/s. Cable and other technologies have different speeds depending on the specific technology used, and in our case, we're deploying GPON (Gigabit Passive Optical Network) which works at up to 2.5Gbit/s down and 1.25Gbit/s up for each user. I don't know why it's still asynchronous, and I don't really care too much either because as new GPON technologies are emerging (10Gbit/s+) and the only thing that would need to be replaced is the equipment at our end and the equipment at the customer's end, for an instant upgrade to 10Gbit/s to the home - one company in Portugal is already testing this sort of speed to consumers.

If we wanted to deploy symmetrical connections, we can do that with an "active" network - the problem with doing this is that, GPON only requires unpowered passive splitters for the fiber-optics (which are basically glorified mirrors), whereas an active network requires equipment out in the field, which requires electricity - as well as significantly more fiber (which, although it is negligible in cost, is the least of our worries). As such, in India, the active option isn't really an possible considering how unstable the power grid can be in most parts of the country.

Back in the asynchronous world, my general experience throughout Europe and Asia, the maximum ratio for an asynchronous connection to work effectively is about 1:20 - so for every megabit down, there should be 50kbit/s up, better is 1:8 (Full Speed ADSL), typical seems to be about 1:10 (Cable and FTTH). In India you see between 1:1 and 1:8 ratios simply because the download speeds are also so low, because you can't give a 256kbit/s or 512kbit/s connection and expect to give him only 10-20kbit/s upload speed, that would be ludicrous.

As it happens, we're planning for a 1:4 ratio for consumers at the moment (subject to change), for speeds of between 5:1.25 and 100:25, with up to 1Gbit/s 1:1 for businesses.

The easiest way to show how the UL ratio can affect the download speed is that on the ADSL line at my parents house in NZ, they jumped from 5 to 16mbit/s speeds simply by opting for a plan that didn't limit the upload speed (previously they had a 128kbit/s limit on uploads) - no change in equipment, no change in the copper, no nothing, just the plan.

In India, the whole broadband scenario is awful ... just have a look at some of the unlimited plans offered by some of the ISPs (read BSNL).... 2-4mbps unlimited 15,000-20,000..this is looting ...i have no qualms againt the FUP thing, but there should be some sense behind those limits.. a 20 GB limit on a 16mbps line..what do they expect a person on a 16mbps line to do?? check mails?

I agree with everything in that paragraph.

BTW.. who/What is mgc?? :O

That would be me.

 

[Sumit Sinha]

Fair enough, I'll bite.

It is considered that, since most users (residential and business both) are usually not allowed to host any servers of any kind, that the type of line given is asynchronous. That's what the "A" in ADSL stands for, and most last-mile technologies are loosely based on something called ATM where the "A" also stands for "asynchronous" - without going in to the technical details of why it works like this, it's to do with the way different types/sizes of data and voice packets were sent over long distance networks to make things a lot more efficient (back in the days when a T1 or T3 line was fast and carried the backbones of everything from everyone's phone calls to the first data connections).

In other words, let's just say that "this goes back to the old days", and also that even many of the new technologies are still based loosely on the same old concepts.



In theory. The maximum transfer speed of ADSL1 is about 800kbit/s, ADSL2+ is about 3.5mbit/s. Cable and other technologies have different speeds depending on the specific technology used, and in our case, we're deploying GPON (Gigabit Passive Optical Network) which works at up to 2.5Gbit/s down and 1.25Gbit/s up for each user. I don't know why it's still asynchronous, and I don't really care too much either because as new GPON technologies are emerging (10Gbit/s+) and the only thing that would need to be replaced is the equipment at our end and the equipment at the customer's end, for an instant upgrade to 10Gbit/s to the home - one company in Portugal is already testing this sort of speed to consumers.

If we wanted to deploy symmetrical connections, we can do that with an "active" network - the problem with doing this is that, GPON only requires unpowered passive splitters for the fiber-optics (which are basically glorified mirrors), whereas an active network requires equipment out in the field, which requires electricity - as well as significantly more fiber (which, although it is negligible in cost, is the least of our worries). As such, in India, the active option isn't really an possible considering how unstable the power grid can be in most parts of the country.

Back in the asynchronous world, my general experience throughout Europe and Asia, the maximum ratio for an asynchronous connection to work effectively is about 1:20 - so for every megabit down, there should be 50kbit/s up, better is 1:8 (Full Speed ADSL), typical seems to be about 1:10 (Cable and FTTH). In India you see between 1:1 and 1:8 ratios simply because the download speeds are also so low, because you can't give a 256kbit/s or 512kbit/s connection and expect to give him only 10-20kbit/s upload speed, that would be ludicrous.

As it happens, we're planning for a 1:4 ratio for consumers at the moment (subject to change), for speeds of between 5:1.25 and 100:25, with up to 1Gbit/s 1:1 for businesses.

The easiest way to show how the UL ratio can affect the download speed is that on the ADSL line at my parents house in NZ, they jumped from 5 to 16mbit/s speeds simply by opting for a plan that didn't limit the upload speed (previously they had a 128kbit/s limit on uploads) - no change in equipment, no change in the copper, no nothing, just the plan.



I agree with everything in that paragraph.



That would be me.
LOL...didnt knew..sorry..

anyway.. so wherever in the passage you have written phrases such as "we are offering", "we are developing", i am assuming its definitely not in/for India

So, in short my answer would be: Reliance 2 mbps plan which claims to offer 1:1 upload download ratio, which according to mgc is possible here because of the low downstream itself..right?

 

[mgcarley]

LOL...didnt knew..sorry..

anyway.. so wherever in the passage you have written phrases such as "we are offering", "we are developing", i am assuming its definitely not in/for India


You must be new here

Yes, it's for India. Starting in Mumbai.

So, in short my answer would be: Reliance 2 mbps plan which claims to offer 1:1 upload download ratio, which according to mgc is possible here because of the low downstream itself..right?

Not entirely. If it's ADSL, it's unlikely to be 1:1 except on the low-speed plans. If it's WiMax (as I think the plan you're referring to is), then you can ignore most of the stuff about being asynchronous because this type of wireless is a world apart from wired access, and in some cases you should receive pretty much 1:1 ratios on some wireless technologies - excepting stuff such as 3G - they're still asynchronous.

But all wireless technologies still have an upper limit as to how fast they'll go. Yes, they can advertise pretty numbers but in the real world, you can expect as much as 80% less than what the network has to offer (the variety of reasons for this discrepancy is huge and way too much to go in to here).

Case in point: Optus (I think it was Optus, anyway) has deployed 21mbit/s 3G in urban areas of Australia, but typical actual speeds are about 8mbit/s, even relatively close to the tower. Telecom NZ has 14mbit/s through most of the country and they're currently boasting that they're faster than Vodafone's 5-ish mbit/s average speed with their average speeds of........................ about 5.7mbit/s. Wimax is supposed to deliver up to 30 or 40mbit/s, but realistically under normal conditions you can expect about 5 - maybe 8 if you're really lucky and quite close to the tower.

Granted, not completely terrible: can't complain too loudly about having 5mbit/s in my pocket almost anywhere in the country, but it's not anywhere close to what's being marketed.

 

[Sumit Sinha]

You must be new here

Yes, it's for India. Starting in Mumbai.



Not entirely. If it's ADSL, it's unlikely to be 1:1 except on the low-speed plans. If it's WiMax (as I think the plan you're referring to is), then you can ignore most of the stuff about being asynchronous because this type of wireless is a world apart from wired access, and in some cases you should receive pretty much 1:1 ratios on some wireless technologies - excepting stuff such as 3G - they're still asynchronous.

But all wireless technologies still have an upper limit as to how fast they'll go. Yes, they can advertise pretty numbers but in the real world, you can expect as much as 80% less than what the network has to offer (the variety of reasons for this discrepancy is huge and way too much to go in to here).

Case in point: Optus (I think it was Optus, anyway) has deployed 21mbit/s 3G in urban areas of Australia, but typical actual speeds are about 8mbit/s, even relatively close to the tower. Telecom NZ has 14mbit/s through most of the country and they're currently boasting that they're faster than Vodafone's 5-ish mbit/s average speed with their average speeds of........................ about 5.7mbit/s. Wimax is supposed to deliver up to 30 or 40mbit/s, but realistically under normal conditions you can expect about 5 - maybe 8 if you're really lucky and quite close to the tower.

Granted, not completely terrible: can't complain too loudly about having 5mbit/s in my pocket almost anywhere in the country, but it's not anywhere close to what's being marketed.

Yes yes very very new
OMG!..i am all confused..
i was not referring to Wimax, as Reliance Wimax service is only available in mumbai and i am in Kolkata.
Where are you launching your service up here??
So, can anyone confirm me that Reliance Wired broadband of speed 2mbps do infact have 2 mbps upload speed?? Or not..i am doubting that the answer will be yes
What plan do suggest for me then mgc??

 

[mgcarley]

Yes yes very very new
OMG!..i am all confused..
i was not referring to Wimax, as Reliance Wimax service is only available in mumbai and i am in Kolkata.


Are you sure? I'm sure I've seen reviews of it from users in Kolkata. Maybe not?

Where are you launching your service up here??


TBA.

So, can anyone confirm me that Reliance Wired broadband of speed 2mbps do infact have 2 mbps upload speed?? Or not..i am doubting that the answer will be yes


Depending on the technology they use, it may be possible, but I doubt it.

What plan do suggest for me then mgc??

I've heard some positive things from friends about this company, although I can't personally vouch for them: Alliance Broadband service rates