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That'd be interesting. In that case, Jio needs to offer unlimited data and free add-ons (or value added services) at a really attractive price-point.
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That'd be interesting. In that case, Jio needs to offer unlimited data and free add-ons (or value added services) at a really attractive price-point.
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If they are going to offer anything less than 1TB for Data for Speeds more than 100Mbps? (Keeping competing with Airtel in mind). They are going to make a huge mistake. Because, Airtel is a sinking ship anyway.
Anything less than 1TB is not acceptable where the era is turning into the NETLIX and Amazon Prime.
Given that, Jio itself wants to tap into this market with their JioCinema, JioTV or Whatever more they have in their store.
What would be market disrupting is "Unlimited FUP" which Hathway (Parent is Reliance now) is already doing in Hyderabad and might follow in other cities.
Since, a lot of people have mentioned that, Hathway is using the setup or inherited the setup of Reliance in last few days.
So if Hathway is going non-FUP. Reliance follow the same (most probably).
But the only thing I am not sure about is, Why Reliance wants to keep Hathway into the market where it will only act as it's competition?
The only answer to this I have is, they might want to keep Hathway as cheap option with not that good level of server quality (as many of us agree, Hathway Support is not that good and understanding).
Reliance JioGigaFiber will be their premium offering with 1Gbps at max. with Airtel Level Customer Support.
I think Reliance might settle itself somewhere around ACT and Airtel.
Reliance isn't eyeing Nextra, Tikona, Excitel, Comway or any other small level ISP.
Reason for Excitel to be not a threat: They are small and they are too much dependent upon the LCOs as which is the biggest issue they will never be able to compete with any other ISP even with their "Attractive Speeds and Unlimited FUP they claim". Going Fiber won't help either since LCO is the problem.
The only real threat is Airtel.
Since, Airtel don't have Fiber right now and their presence and the operational speed of deploying Fiber is way too low. Reliance might take advantage of it and rate their plans little costlier than Airtel's.
So if we want to take a bit of idea of the pricing, ACT and Airtel are the plans we should compare with. It will fall under same or similar brackets (Keeping FUP should be more than 1TB in any plan).
So if Airtel ask for 799 for 40Mbps. Reliance might ask for anything 500-700 for the 50Mbps.
They want to keep their pricing less than Airtel but also wants to make money as much as they can.
They don't want to scale their prices higher in later stages (like they had to do in Reliance 4G's case. Of course that affected their business a bit).
A price lower at start and rising afterwards affects the market share. What Reliance should be opting is make the price right and it should lower it down in future.
Because as soon as Reliance launched, Airtel will start to buckle up and I can see 799 Plan changing into 599 or 649 somewhere soon.
Airtel Fiber will be reality within 1 year or so. (Of course they will now opt for deploying over-the-head now).
Reliance and Airtel will be major players in Broadband Business in India.
Anything less than 1TB is not acceptable where the era is turning into the NETLIX and Amazon Prime.
Given that, Jio itself wants to tap into this market with their JioCinema, JioTV or Whatever more they have in their store.
What would be market disrupting is "Unlimited FUP" which Hathway (Parent is Reliance now) is already doing in Hyderabad and might follow in other cities.
Since, a lot of people have mentioned that, Hathway is using the setup or inherited the setup of Reliance in last few days.
So if Hathway is going non-FUP. Reliance follow the same (most probably).
But the only thing I am not sure about is, Why Reliance wants to keep Hathway into the market where it will only act as it's competition?
The only answer to this I have is, they might want to keep Hathway as cheap option with not that good level of server quality (as many of us agree, Hathway Support is not that good and understanding).
Reliance JioGigaFiber will be their premium offering with 1Gbps at max. with Airtel Level Customer Support.
I think Reliance might settle itself somewhere around ACT and Airtel.
Reliance isn't eyeing Nextra, Tikona, Excitel, Comway or any other small level ISP.
Reason for Excitel to be not a threat: They are small and they are too much dependent upon the LCOs as which is the biggest issue they will never be able to compete with any other ISP even with their "Attractive Speeds and Unlimited FUP they claim". Going Fiber won't help either since LCO is the problem.
The only real threat is Airtel.
Since, Airtel don't have Fiber right now and their presence and the operational speed of deploying Fiber is way too low. Reliance might take advantage of it and rate their plans little costlier than Airtel's.
So if we want to take a bit of idea of the pricing, ACT and Airtel are the plans we should compare with. It will fall under same or similar brackets (Keeping FUP should be more than 1TB in any plan).
So if Airtel ask for 799 for 40Mbps. Reliance might ask for anything 500-700 for the 50Mbps.
They want to keep their pricing less than Airtel but also wants to make money as much as they can.
They don't want to scale their prices higher in later stages (like they had to do in Reliance 4G's case. Of course that affected their business a bit).
A price lower at start and rising afterwards affects the market share. What Reliance should be opting is make the price right and it should lower it down in future.
Because as soon as Reliance launched, Airtel will start to buckle up and I can see 799 Plan changing into 599 or 649 somewhere soon.
Airtel Fiber will be reality within 1 year or so. (Of course they will now opt for deploying over-the-head now).
Reliance and Airtel will be major players in Broadband Business in India.
I expect it to be around 600 for IPTV , Voip/ landline and broadband with 1.1 tb at 100 mbps speed for those who have dual band ont router and it will be same for 2500 one also, but the speed over wifi will be 50 due to its single band.
Also,, I am expecting that they will also provide broadband and landline package only which can be around 400-500 as it is now being provided by hathway, which is a part of Reliance Group now and thats the reason they are offering 100 mbps with no fup in some places where hathway is established for around 400 to 500 rs, hathway will be in that areas where jio is not feasible.
1gbps plan I expect it to be around 1500- 1800 rs and for 200 300 mbps plan it wipl be around 800-1200 rs.
Also,, I am expecting that they will also provide broadband and landline package only which can be around 400-500 as it is now being provided by hathway, which is a part of Reliance Group now and thats the reason they are offering 100 mbps with no fup in some places where hathway is established for around 400 to 500 rs, hathway will be in that areas where jio is not feasible.
1gbps plan I expect it to be around 1500- 1800 rs and for 200 300 mbps plan it wipl be around 800-1200 rs.
US Brokerage house Merrill Lynch said RIL is likely to announce three home broadband offerings, including a base pack offering 100 Mbps download speeds.
telecom.economictimes.indiatimes.com
So I don't think they plan to introduce 2 Mbps, 10 Mbps speed packs as some have suggested here. It makes no sense to set up such a large fibre network to give anything less than 50 Mbps speeds.
RIL may announce Jio's home broadband launch timeline, price packs at Aug 12 AGM
The brokerage though expects Jio to target a 50 million-strong home broadband customer base over the next 3-to-5 years, instead of 12-18 months.
So I don't think they plan to introduce 2 Mbps, 10 Mbps speed packs as some have suggested here. It makes no sense to set up such a large fibre network to give anything less than 50 Mbps speeds.
I expect base plan speeds will be greater than or equal to 50Mbps. Pricing ₹500 + or - 100. Either truly unlimited or more than 500gb per month. Along with IPTV and landline.
I too feel (at least initially), they will push for high speed + high FUP (or unlimited plans) to stand out when compared to the rest of providers.
If they launch too many plans at first, people will be comparing each and every aspect of the plan and this will lead to leverage for other providers to compete at multiple price-points. Instead, they will (should) launch only 3-4 plans at least initially.
Unlimited/No FUP is possible in 2019 really,
1. Most of the usage these days is "peered" (ie, free of any data usage costs), most of the cost is in infra only, Usage like Netflix, PrimeVideo, Windows updates etc ie, 90-95% of "heavy" usage is almost all via peering, this leaves say torrents, which if seeding peers are in the same ISP, again becomes "internal" usage.
2. Compared to the past where there wasn't much peering in the country/not many peering "points", now at least all major cities/metros have some sort of peering exchange (see Fast.com, for netflix local peering points -- I think).
3. Hathway has been offering no FUP plans for a bit in Hyderabad, but on other hand, Airtel too in Hyderabad has been, maybe they are gathering data usage patterns to optimize network/peer further ? (Hathway is owned by Jio in some %).
4. Offering cheaper/more data/speed in wired/FTTH, will overall help Jio by lowering loads off towers at least in urban areas where people may have been using Jio 4G as hotspot etc. Lower load on tower will lead to overall positive experience of all Jio services. Which imo should be the target by launching FTTH.
If they launch too many plans at first, people will be comparing each and every aspect of the plan and this will lead to leverage for other providers to compete at multiple price-points. Instead, they will (should) launch only 3-4 plans at least initially.
Unlimited/No FUP is possible in 2019 really,
1. Most of the usage these days is "peered" (ie, free of any data usage costs), most of the cost is in infra only, Usage like Netflix, PrimeVideo, Windows updates etc ie, 90-95% of "heavy" usage is almost all via peering, this leaves say torrents, which if seeding peers are in the same ISP, again becomes "internal" usage.
2. Compared to the past where there wasn't much peering in the country/not many peering "points", now at least all major cities/metros have some sort of peering exchange (see Fast.com, for netflix local peering points -- I think).
3. Hathway has been offering no FUP plans for a bit in Hyderabad, but on other hand, Airtel too in Hyderabad has been, maybe they are gathering data usage patterns to optimize network/peer further ? (Hathway is owned by Jio in some %).
4. Offering cheaper/more data/speed in wired/FTTH, will overall help Jio by lowering loads off towers at least in urban areas where people may have been using Jio 4G as hotspot etc. Lower load on tower will lead to overall positive experience of all Jio services. Which imo should be the target by launching FTTH.
SG_curiosity
I got banned!
But 2 or 3 weeks ago you all are saying that Jio will delay the launch of Gigafiber because it not fully ready!
minuteman
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I expect a 100 Mbps plan with 1 TB fup for ₹999
Expected Features for the above plan:
1. Truly Symmetric Upload to servers outside India (Currently all ISPs in India offers symmetric upload only in India)
2. Premium Bandwidth and support for home users just like a business broadband or leased line
3. No CGNAT each user will get a public IP address
4. After FUP speed will reduce to 25 Mbps
5. Free Amazon Prime,Netflix,Hotstar Premium Included
6. No Bandwidth throttling for P2P,FTP connections all ports are opened
Expected Features for the above plan:
1. Truly Symmetric Upload to servers outside India (Currently all ISPs in India offers symmetric upload only in India)
2. Premium Bandwidth and support for home users just like a business broadband or leased line
3. No CGNAT each user will get a public IP address
4. After FUP speed will reduce to 25 Mbps
5. Free Amazon Prime,Netflix,Hotstar Premium Included
6. No Bandwidth throttling for P2P,FTP connections all ports are opened
