Unlimited broadband plans in India (no download limits at all)

[stirredo]

Some countries in Europe, SG, HK, JP and SK would be the worldwide exceptions that I can think of OTOH.

Seems like except for europe and some asian countries everyone is having crappy broadband services. You have already mentioned why these things cost so much that depends a lot on geography.

Is there a technology being developed that might change the scenario or we will always be dependent on underwater tubez that are affected by the location of the country?

 

[brickhouse]

So... 64/128/256k after the FUP is hit is still good speeds? Have you ever checked out the plans of any non-US ISPs (who are extremely non-specific about what actually happens when you hit their FUP limits)?



ISPs in most other countries are just doing with the speed what I think ISPs in India should be doing and that is just having speeds essentially uncapped until the FUP is hit - NZ, AU and UK in particular have plans which are basically just ADSL2+ until you hit XX gigabytes, then the speed drops to a lower speed. Indian ISPs restrict the speed on either side of the FUP



Quality doesn't vary as much in other countries as it does in India, but I don't believe I have specifically named any ISPs - foreign or domestic - in any comparisons.

i was just saying cause you have in past posted links of some mediocre ISP's as proof.

but most ISP's and good one is developed nation give unlimited downloads

 

[mgcarley]

Seems like except for europe and some asian countries everyone is having crappy broadband services. You have already mentioned why these things cost so much that depends a lot on geography.


Yes and no. It also depends a lot on where the content is hosted. Japan and SK aren't really close to anyone else, but they host a lot of content within their own countries and the peering within those countries is simply unbelievable.

As for SG and HK they are major hubs for Asia-Pacific traffic, and considering that close to a billion internet users are in the region, they too have massive amounts of peering and domestic hosting and/or mirrors.

Is there a technology being developed that might change the scenario or we will always be dependent on underwater tubez that are affected by the location of the country?

Tata is currently trying to organize a cable going overland from HK to Europe via Russia (of all places).

i was just saying cause you have in past posted links of some mediocre ISP's as proof.

Which ones? Normally I just pick ISPs at random, usually from the large ISPs in whatever country I happen to be talking about. Besides, the best ISP in one country can sometimes be comparable to the worst ISP in another country. The low quality that users in India seem to put up with would be completely unacceptable in some countries.

but most ISP's and good one is developed nation give unlimited downloads

Like I said, very few nations - even developed ones - get truely unlimited downloads. ISPs which have FUPs are more common worldwide than ISPs without FUPs.

Don't believe me? I challenge you to pick a country that isn't in Scandinavia, or which is not Japan, HK, SG or SK and give me an example of an ISP which doesn't have an FUP of some kind.

 

[techtata]

Don't believe me? I challenge you to pick a country that isn't in Scandinavia, or which is not Japan, HK, SG or SK and give me an example of an ISP which doesn't have an Fair Usage Policy of some kind.

Hi,

Sorry but as far as I know a few ISPs in the UK and USA do not have FUP and they offer unlimited data per month and they do not reduce the speed if you happen to hit the monthly cap. I have friends there to believe this really happens. If I am wrong please correct me. Thanks...

 

[brickhouse]

hi,

sorry but as far as i know a few isps in the uk and usa do not have fup and they offer unlimited data per month and they do not reduce the speed if you happen to hit the monthly cap. I have friends there to believe this really happens. If i am wrong please correct me. Thanks...

exactly

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Yes and no. It also depends a lot on where the content is hosted. Japan and SK aren't really close to anyone else, but they host a lot of content within their own countries and the peering within those countries is simply unbelievable.

As for SG and HK they are major hubs for Asia-Pacific traffic, and considering that close to a billion internet users are in the region, they too have massive amounts of peering and domestic hosting and/or mirrors.



Tata is currently trying to organize a cable going overland from HK to Europe via Russia (of all places).



Which ones? Normally I just pick ISPs at random, usually from the large ISPs in whatever country I happen to be talking about. Besides, the best ISP in one country can sometimes be comparable to the worst ISP in another country. The low quality that users in India seem to put up with would be completely unacceptable in some countries.



Like I said, very few nations - even developed ones - get truely unlimited downloads. ISPs which have FUPs are more common worldwide than ISPs without FUPs.

Don't believe me? I challenge you to pick a country that isn't in Scandinavia, or which is not Japan, HK, SG or SK and give me an example of an ISP which doesn't have an FUP of some kind.

AT&T,VERIZON,VIRGIN,O2,ORANGE,SKY,BE,TALKTALK,BT


some of them have both plans with FUP and unlimited plans

 

[mgcarley]

AT&T,VERIZON,VIRGIN,O2,ORANGE,SKY,BE,TALKTALK,BT


some of them have both plans with Fair Usage Policy and unlimited plans

Read the small print. Of the ISPs you have named, only 3 of them do not have FUPs involving speed reduction, and they are Sky, Verizon and the third from memory is TalkTalk. I have posted links to the FUPs of most of these ISPs in other threads in which you yourself have been a participant.

 

[brickhouse]

Read the small print. Of the ISPs you have named, only 3 of them do not have FUPs involving speed reduction, and they are Sky, Verizon and the third from memory is TalkTalk. I have posted links to the FUPs of most of these ISPs in other threads in which you yourself have been a participant.

i have read,many of them have FUP's but many have more costlier unlimited plans too.but still there are atleast so many that provide good speeds at low prices

 

[mgcarley]

i have read,many of them have Fair Usage Policy's but many have more costlier unlimited plans too.but still there are atleast so many that provide good speeds at low prices

AT&T FUP is not specific (as is typical with American ISPs), but some sources claim speed reductions to 128k.
Virgin FUP says that it has both a fair access policy *and* traffic management (speed reduction up to nearly 90%)
BT FUP says "subject to network management", which basically means that they can and will throttle your speed down at various times of the day.
O2 is not specific except for "where usage is detrimental"
Be says 40GB
I was wrong about TalkTalk... they say 100GB.

All of these ISPs reserve the right to terminate your account for regularly exceeding caps or otherwise "abusing resources".

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I do not however, disagree with you that up until these limits, the speeds are much better than India.

As I've said in this and other threads, all of the providers should just take speed limits off their services and charge people for data or have "unlimited" at 24mbit/s which is throttled to whatever speed once the limit is hit. It would be much better.

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Airtel etc could easily just provide 16mbit/s up to 50GB and charge like Rs1000 for it. Only 1/3rd of the available capacity is actually even lit up.

 

[Raditz]

Fair Usage Policy is prevalent in almost all countries except the handful mentiond by mgcarley above.To everyone who thinks that US/ UK donot have Fair Usage Policy in effect- they actually achieve it indirectly through sandvining/ throttling. Comcast/ BT/ Talk-Talk all of them do it.Although I still think their Fair Usage Policy is more common sense than customer harassment unlike here. Limits kick in at sensible barriers like 130GB etc. Comcast has 250 GB in their plans if I'm not mistaken.

 

[mgcarley]

Although I still think their Fair Usage Policy is more common sense than customer harassment unlike here. Limits kick in at sensible barriers like 130GB etc. Comcast has 250 GB in their plans if I'm not mistaken.

I thought it was 150GB but maybe it depends on the speed tier... American ISPs are notoriously difficult to get information out of.

Anyway, like I've also said in other threads, I would understand the FUPs imposed by ISPs in India if the FUP limits were like they are in other countries (50, 100, 150+GB) at reasonable prices but for example 30GB for Rs1999 then it switches down to 1Mbit/s as Airtel has in Mumbai is just daylight robbery. They could easily make it 20Mbit/s with say 100-150GB FUP, then it drops to 256 or 512kbit/s for that price.