Why FTTH speeds are not growing in India

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And some local ISPs providing 300mbps under 1000rs is not hard to find, since those are shared bandwidth
At the internet scale everything is largely shared. It's not correct to say that some ISPs have shared bandwidth, some do not. Most of this idea comes from early DSL says with idea of contention ratio. These days ISPs do not really look at contention ratio or configure any specific component of network with that. Most of networks are built around peak and average traffic flows. It's similar to road design. Let's say you are building a fresh 6-lane highway in city of 14L population to a larger metro, you won't say - OMG! 14L users have to share and and use 6 lane highway but it would be more around the idea - what's average and peak demand line.

Sharing is there technically all the way from last mile (shared PON), to PONs uplink to backhual in each city, peering PNI ports etc. Most of smaller ISPs are able to sell higher speed plans for lower prices because of mix of these factors:

1. It helps in marketing - they have lower brand value and hence "giving more" helps in overcoming that factor.
2. Majority of higher plans sold to masses are with assumption that people ultimately will use tiny amount of bandwidth on usual stuff (youtube, whatsapp, instagram etc). So when you know average traffic will barely be 4-5Mbps with peaks of 20-30Mbps, it doesn't matter (until a point) whether plan is 50Mbps or 200Mbps. For much higher speeds there is challenge with the GPON shared capacity.
3. Smaller ISPs in certain cases can have lower cost. If they have decent scale, they can deploy Google, Facebook, Akamai caches etc, offload 30-40% traffic easily within that city. Larger guys cannot do that because they have more of standardised deployment of these caches in larger cities. It's easy for smaller players to find real estate in area they operate as opposed to larger telcos.


This whole "shared bandwidth" is interesting thing and sometimes also used when talking of PON Vs AON. Some people have argued that AON is better becausethere's no sharing while reality is that most people selling AON say 1Gbps from a 12 port switch won't really have a backhual of 2 x 10G. In many cases it's just 1G backhual. Entire internet with packet switching is build on shared capacity. As long as any specific part of it is not congested, it's not an issue at all.
 
imagine Airtel/Jio sell 1Gbps for 699 INR today. What will happen? Will more people buy their connection? How many people (who can buy today) are not buying because they must get 1Gbps at that price? In reality not a lot. But a small set of premium users (content players, rich folks) who are paying 3k for 1Gbps - what will happen to them? Can they be given 10Gbps for that price? Technically not. Hence this will kill higher tier without adding any fresh users on the lower tier. This market dynamic has to change before major speed upgrade happens.

@Anurag Bhatia makes sense
 
2. CPE itself is close to 2000-2200 INR (left with zero)
I don't think it costs that much. I have seen the Nokia ONT on ali express as low as 700-800 rupees per unit for bulk orders. ISPs save a lot of money on drop cables, patch cords and ONT/ONU in bulk deal. The main expense to recover is the splicing machine which costs around 1-1.5 lakh rupees( as per Tata Play/Airtel technician).
Even if you consider the base plan which costs 3k rupees in case of Airtel, I think after removing all the costs, they would still be left with 1500-2000 rupees depending upon the length of cable used. That is a lot of money for a single connection.
 
Don't think GPON ONT with phone option + decent wifi are that cheap.

I think after removing all the costs, they would still be left with 1500-2000 rupees depending upon the length of cable used. That is a lot of money for a single connection.

Actually not. As stated, 26% here is going as part of GST + AGR. 30-40% of remaining is going to LCO for LCO cities and in non-LCO cities its a capex to rollout own last mile and opex to maintain. On cheapest plan they barely make tiny money and that too after 7-8 months. On higher plans they probably break even in 3-4 months.
 
On cheapest plan they barely make tiny money and that too after 7-8 months.
Hard disagree. They take 6 month advance for 40 Mbps connection. They are definitely making some money. The quality of ONT they provide is trash.
 
1. CPEs are not 500-600 for sure. That kind of price people get on ONUs without routing/wifi. Rest ultimately it's closed buying and one can only guess. I have heard from other various operators that it's hard to bring cost below 2k.

2. CPE being trash is a very subjective opinion. It works, does the job. It's locked and surely a pain to do anything in advance but don't think hardware is bad. Again, stop expecting some fancy CPE with 2.5G LAN, amazing wifi 6 performance etc from ISP.

3. And yes, they take 6 months in advance because even with that business case is hard and not making sense. For monthly payment it just won't work out. Again. look at the numbers. Even if CPE cost is 600 INR (which I totally disagree but for sake of argument...): 3000 INR for 6 months, 26% (GST+AGR): 780 INR, LCO 30% (after taxes): 666 INR. CPE: 600 INR (just putting that, I think it's atleast 3x of that). You are at 954 INR. So that's 159 INR/month and yet to add cost of fibre drop cable, patch cords, splice box, bringing bandwidth till the city, splitter cost etc.

They do make money and it's not lossy but on either a) Higher plans or b) Where people stay for long enough period (way longer than 6 months).
 
Before upgrading the plan to 1Gbps I had this ONT provided by Airtel. I'm sure a huge company like Airtel can get it for way less than this for the amount of subs they have.
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