when Apple copies something they are doing it the right way. the way it should be. and everything else is just a disgrace.when someone else copies something from them, they are commiting patent infringement and giving a half-assed product. i need to stop coming back to this thread. apparently apple has some magical qualities and they can do nothing wrong. from what i know, they are not gods and they do not have a copyright over always coming up with the right thing. they make folks like you to believe that what they give you is the best there can be. i get that part and i do not even bother to talk about it. because apple and their fans are made for each other. problem is when they tell me that i am supporting an inferior platform which in my opinion is pushing your own beliefs over mine. i have used enough of os x and ios. i have bought an ipod touch, an apple macbook and an ipad. i have used all three extensively enough to realize that they are simply not as good as the alternatives available to me. i have given htc one x a try and i have realized it is not good enough for me. i have not touched touchwiz ****ed products because i know they suck. btw. i am not defending samsung here. i am speaking more about android. the stock android that google ships. n1, ns and gn does not have a design theme anywhere remotely similar to iPhone. though you probably believe that a rectangular device with a touchscreen display is an apple invention. but i am more than happy with what the nexus branded devices give me and i personally believe they are the best devices in the market today. but it's a personal opinion based on what works for me. ios works for you fine. stock android works for me. but seriously. apple does not have a patent/copyright/trademark on coming out with the right stuff. as the saying goes... apple excels in telling their fans what they should believe (and what they need even before they can discover the need for it) and i see something of that sort happening here. sorry.
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LOL @ calling me a Fandroid....Apple should probably just get a patent of being the company that is always right.For the record, I have noted agantuk & rajadeep (I think) to be more neutral than me, but I am also neutral to an extent, I chose Playbook over an Android product. Does that make me a Blackerry fan, No, I would not go for a Blackberry phone, unless it turns out something spectacular. MS Surface interested me. I ordered a HP Touchpad during the firesale, but had to cancel it. For the right person, I would recommend Aircel 3GS iPhone 9999 offer. I like some of ios/iphone stuff, and if priced right, I would consider buying as well. My problem is that Apple Fans simply refuse to look beyond what Apple tells them as the truth.
Sarcastic humor. Hmm yes. If it goes to an intense level then it doesn't sound so good on other side. It's all depends on how the other side defends it. From time to time I tend to go intense on these forums. I have been wrong many times but even in those cases I sometimes turn it in to some sarcastic wit. Kind of a drollness. 
I guess that's the dark side of sarcasm.
I guess that's the dark side of sarcasm.i would add something similar to mhasabir here. i do not recommend budget segment android devices to anyone. i tell them to get a featurephone instead of buying a shitty device (if their budget is less than 10,000 bucks). i recommend blackberry to people who have needs that are met with it (email, messaging, calling). i have even recommended WP devices to some people based on their budget and requirement (twitter, email, facebook, chat but preferably not android).
i have recommended iPhone 3gs to people who i suspect are part of that segment of the market that believes more in brand than functionality (99% of this segment consists of girls). but if someone comes to me with a solid budget and asks me for a recommendation (and does not give a shit about the 'charm' of iphone), my suggestion would be one x today (not s3, not iphone 4/4s). Galaxy nexus if they have an american connection.
i have recommended iPhone 3gs to people who i suspect are part of that segment of the market that believes more in brand than functionality (99% of this segment consists of girls). but if someone comes to me with a solid budget and asks me for a recommendation (and does not give a shit about the 'charm' of iphone), my suggestion would be one x today (not s3, not iphone 4/4s). Galaxy nexus if they have an american connection.
problem is when they tell me that i am supporting an inferior platform which in my opinion is pushing your own beliefs over mine.
ios works for you fine. stock android works for me. but seriously. Apple does not have a patent/copyright/trademark on coming out with the right stuff. as the saying goes... apple excels in telling their fans what they should believe (and what they need even before they can discover the need for it) and i see something of that sort happening here. sorry.
I understand that. Apple fans attitude can sometimes give that impression. My intention is never to say Android as inferior platform. It's very powerful actually. And with 4.1, I am actually interested in purchasing an android phone like upcoming Sony Xperia Hayabusa.
And yes Apple has very strong & smart marketing department. I often noticed them bragging about very small feature and they tend to show in a way like it's larger then life.
So finally you are right in your way & I see my belief in more light. That's all.
LOL @ calling me a Fandroid....
Apple should probably just get a patent of being the being the company that is always right.
For the record, I have noted agantuk & rajadeep (I think) to be more neutral than me, but I am also neutral to an extent, I chose Playbook over an Android product. Does that make me a Blackerry fan, No, I would not go for a Blackberry phone, unless it turns out something spectacular. MS Surface interested me. I ordered a HP Touchpad during the firesale, but had to cancel it. For the right person, I would recommend Aircel 3GS iPhone 9999 offer. I like some of ios/iphone stuff, and if priced right, I would consider buying as well.
My problem is that Apple Fans simply refuse to look beyond what Apple tells them as the truth.
I didn't mean to say 'fandroids' to you or anyone. I was just stating in general terms. But apparently if I see any android user dissing Apple then my instinct goes to that term.
And it's not like that I can't see beyond Apple. Last year after finding out that internal DAC in Cowon PMPs is currently the best in world for giving audiophile quality sound for portable playback, since then I have stopped listening to my fourth generation iPod touch. Apple haven't given Wolfson DAC since 5th gen. iPod video. After that they are giving Cirrus Logic DAC which is good enough for most people but not for me.
SG III is coming first time with Wolfson DAC that enables the phone to give the best sound currently in market. It's even better sound then Sony's Xperia NXT range of smartphones.
And yes the interest & requirements do get changed from time to time. So the loyalty towards a specific brand of gadgets is always contingent to certain Lifestyle situations.
if someone comes to me with a solid budget and asks me for a recommendation (and does not give a shit about the 'charm' of iphone), my suggestion would be one x today (not s3, not iphone 4/4s). Galaxy nexus if they have an american connection.
Why not recommend Xperia S? Yes it lags with relatively old generation S3 Snapdragon dual core processor but I have found the Sony UI actually quite appealing. And it's the best display if you turn on Bravia Engine with highest PPI. Great for sound quality. Best Exmor R camera as of now when compared with other lot. And there's value for money. It's currently available in A'bad between 26k to 28k. It's relatively cheap with the kind of features like 12 MP cam & 32 Gigs it gives. So not at all overpriced.
And most importantly their ICS implementation is closest to what we can compare to stock android. Sony has actually followed Google's holographic UI guidelines for ICS.
ios works for you fine. stock android works for me. but seriously. Apple does not have a patent/copyright/trademark on coming out with the right stuff. as the saying goes... apple excels in telling their fans what they should believe (and what they need even before they can discover the need for it) and i see something of that sort happening here. sorry.
I understand that. Apple fans attitude can sometimes give that impression. My intention is never to say Android as inferior platform. It's very powerful actually. And with 4.1, I am actually interested in purchasing an android phone like upcoming Sony Xperia Hayabusa.
And yes Apple has very strong & smart marketing department. I often noticed them bragging about very small feature and they tend to show in a way like it's larger then life.
So finally you are right in your way & I see my belief in more light. That's all.
LOL @ calling me a Fandroid....
Apple should probably just get a patent of being the being the company that is always right.
For the record, I have noted agantuk & rajadeep (I think) to be more neutral than me, but I am also neutral to an extent, I chose Playbook over an Android product. Does that make me a Blackerry fan, No, I would not go for a Blackberry phone, unless it turns out something spectacular. MS Surface interested me. I ordered a HP Touchpad during the firesale, but had to cancel it. For the right person, I would recommend Aircel 3GS iPhone 9999 offer. I like some of ios/iphone stuff, and if priced right, I would consider buying as well.
My problem is that Apple Fans simply refuse to look beyond what Apple tells them as the truth.
I didn't mean to say 'fandroids' to you or anyone. I was just stating in general terms. But apparently if I see any android user dissing Apple then my instinct goes to that term.
And it's not like that I can't see beyond Apple. Last year after finding out that internal DAC in Cowon PMPs is currently the best in world for giving audiophile quality sound for portable playback, since then I have stopped listening to my fourth generation iPod touch. Apple haven't given Wolfson DAC since 5th gen. iPod video. After that they are giving Cirrus Logic DAC which is good enough for most people but not for me.
SG III is coming first time with Wolfson DAC that enables the phone to give the best sound currently in market. It's even better sound then Sony's Xperia NXT range of smartphones.
And yes the interest & requirements do get changed from time to time. So the loyalty towards a specific brand of gadgets is always contingent to certain Lifestyle situations.
if someone comes to me with a solid budget and asks me for a recommendation (and does not give a shit about the 'charm' of iphone), my suggestion would be one x today (not s3, not iphone 4/4s). Galaxy nexus if they have an american connection.
Why not recommend Xperia S? Yes it lags with relatively old generation S3 Snapdragon dual core processor but I have found the Sony UI actually quite appealing. And it's the best display if you turn on Bravia Engine with highest PPI. Great for sound quality. Best Exmor R camera as of now when compared with other lot. And there's value for money. It's currently available in A'bad between 26k to 28k. It's relatively cheap with the kind of features like 12 MP cam & 32 Gigs it gives. So not at all overpriced.
And most importantly their ICS implementation is closest to what we can compare to stock android. Sony has actually followed Google's holographic UI guidelines for ICS.
First of all, Ive only said what their primary goal is. What excites Apple and its employees. Its the quest to make a great product. Is anyone denying that? Do you see apple pushing out 100s of products every year? They can (with all that cash in bank, they sure can) but they dont. Its pretty apparent that they focus on only a few products which they think is great.
Now ofcourse as a publicly traded company apple has to make money and as much as they possibly can. But does that invalidate Ive's statement that apple's goal first of all is to make great products? I'm not sure why that'd confuse anyone. He even added that if the product is good, revenue will follow. So the end result is still money but its not the goal. Wheres the confusion?
I am not sure you have read about the conditions under which folks in china make these stuff . I am not saying other companies are good either. But someone who talks so much about delivering a good product & whose "goal absolutely at Apple is not to make money" , for sure they are not doing anything to fix that. In fact they are turning a blind eye & I would not take the "They did not know" nonsense.
Seriously, how can you even say something like that today? First of all, every god damn company is using not just china as their manufacturer but most of the big ones use foxconn itself. Just coz apple became the most successful company using foxconn as a manufacturing partner, they got the spotlight. But anyone with access to google.com would tell you how wrong is that. Which electronic company isnt using cheap chinese labour? Foxconn is one of the best companies (in terms of wages and other privileges) for chinese workers today. And to top it all, apple has been doing a lot to improve condition there. They don need to, but still they are. This though might be coz of all the dumb media backlash over chinese labour condition but still apple didnt need to do anything here. They have a contract with foxconn and arent responsible for how foxconn works. Its foxconn and chinese govt's responsibility.
Why they chose foxconn instead of doing it in US is simple economics and logistics. Nowhere else would you find such a huge workforce, let alone at anywhere near these prices. Everyone uses china, so did apple. Now apple does a heck lot more than everyone else to improve conditions there and still you make ignorant comments like this for some reason. I don get it.
Bar notifications was an awesome feature innovated by Apple... Right?
I asked the same question to another Apple Fanboy, who was giving similar fancy statements prior to that, never returned to comment on that thread after that. Seems to be working like a charm
Now I seriously need a 15 minute break so I can laugh out loud!
I just noticed that last time I logged in here I had an argument about apple and decided to see if by any chance that "Apple Fanboy" me. JESUS FREAKIN CHRIST!! It was me!
I'm speechless right now. How can one be such clueless and ignorant is besides me. First of all, I dont spend hours on this forum everyday. Sometimes its weeks before I log back in here. Its just not a site which I frequently visit (though I still like the place as this is one of the only good online Indian community I've found so far). So, just coz I forgot to check back this thread, you were living under the impression that you managed to shut up an "Apple Fanboy" with something as dumb as notification bar??? Lmfao.
Now about the notification bar. Lets start at the similarities. You swipe downward from the top bezel to bring up the notif bar. And......... Thats about it. I had an android phone for a few months and comparing the notification bar in that one with the one in iPad is just silly. Both are competely different. Unless ofcourse you could somehow prove that the notifications are something which google invented. They dont look similar. They dont have the same features (android one is much more than just a notification bar, which is something I prefer over plain iOS one). Android and samsung can copy everything from iPhone and its all mute now coz apple copied a gesture? Jfyi, bezel gestures arent something which google invented either. Palm pre (or whatever it was called) had those and it went even a step further by making the bezel touch sensitive (another thing I'd love to see in iDevices btw).
About the court cases, I dont like them any more than you do but apple did bring something revolutionary to the market and who am I to judge them if they want to stop others who got "inspiration" from their products. If they are right, they will win in the court. If not, they'll lose. It simply doesnt affect me either way.
Oh and about the "slide to unlock" thing, I assume you ar talking about that neonode phone? If you are, pease read the slide to unlock patent agan and then watch the neonode's unlocking video. You'll realise how far from truth you are.
Now ofcourse as a publicly traded company apple has to make money and as much as they possibly can. But does that invalidate Ive's statement that apple's goal first of all is to make great products? I'm not sure why that'd confuse anyone. He even added that if the product is good, revenue will follow. So the end result is still money but its not the goal. Wheres the confusion?
I am not sure you have read about the conditions under which folks in china make these stuff . I am not saying other companies are good either. But someone who talks so much about delivering a good product & whose "goal absolutely at Apple is not to make money" , for sure they are not doing anything to fix that. In fact they are turning a blind eye & I would not take the "They did not know" nonsense.
Seriously, how can you even say something like that today? First of all, every god damn company is using not just china as their manufacturer but most of the big ones use foxconn itself. Just coz apple became the most successful company using foxconn as a manufacturing partner, they got the spotlight. But anyone with access to google.com would tell you how wrong is that. Which electronic company isnt using cheap chinese labour? Foxconn is one of the best companies (in terms of wages and other privileges) for chinese workers today. And to top it all, apple has been doing a lot to improve condition there. They don need to, but still they are. This though might be coz of all the dumb media backlash over chinese labour condition but still apple didnt need to do anything here. They have a contract with foxconn and arent responsible for how foxconn works. Its foxconn and chinese govt's responsibility.
Why they chose foxconn instead of doing it in US is simple economics and logistics. Nowhere else would you find such a huge workforce, let alone at anywhere near these prices. Everyone uses china, so did apple. Now apple does a heck lot more than everyone else to improve conditions there and still you make ignorant comments like this for some reason. I don get it.
Bar notifications was an awesome feature innovated by Apple... Right?
I asked the same question to another Apple Fanboy, who was giving similar fancy statements prior to that, never returned to comment on that thread after that. Seems to be working like a charm
Now I seriously need a 15 minute break so I can laugh out loud!
I just noticed that last time I logged in here I had an argument about apple and decided to see if by any chance that "Apple Fanboy" me. JESUS FREAKIN CHRIST!! It was me!
I'm speechless right now. How can one be such clueless and ignorant is besides me. First of all, I dont spend hours on this forum everyday. Sometimes its weeks before I log back in here. Its just not a site which I frequently visit (though I still like the place as this is one of the only good online Indian community I've found so far). So, just coz I forgot to check back this thread, you were living under the impression that you managed to shut up an "Apple Fanboy" with something as dumb as notification bar??? Lmfao.
Now about the notification bar. Lets start at the similarities. You swipe downward from the top bezel to bring up the notif bar. And......... Thats about it. I had an android phone for a few months and comparing the notification bar in that one with the one in iPad is just silly. Both are competely different. Unless ofcourse you could somehow prove that the notifications are something which google invented. They dont look similar. They dont have the same features (android one is much more than just a notification bar, which is something I prefer over plain iOS one). Android and samsung can copy everything from iPhone and its all mute now coz apple copied a gesture? Jfyi, bezel gestures arent something which google invented either. Palm pre (or whatever it was called) had those and it went even a step further by making the bezel touch sensitive (another thing I'd love to see in iDevices btw).
About the court cases, I dont like them any more than you do but apple did bring something revolutionary to the market and who am I to judge them if they want to stop others who got "inspiration" from their products. If they are right, they will win in the court. If not, they'll lose. It simply doesnt affect me either way.
Oh and about the "slide to unlock" thing, I assume you ar talking about that neonode phone? If you are, pease read the slide to unlock patent agan and then watch the neonode's unlocking video. You'll realise how far from truth you are.
i m amazed ppl r actually defending such ridiculous patents !! a rectangular phone, a slider etc. This is a complete abuse of the patent system. patents shud only be granted for actual R&D or innovations. this is retarded shit. a patent for a rectangle phone ?? seriously WTF !!! wat do they expect ppl to do ?? make triangular phones?any1 who actually is defending such patents is a delusional moron. you can argue all u want but it doesn't change the fact that Apple is abusing the patent system by patenting utter crapshit.
@IMNS - As I was telling Hardik7, some people just cant take sarcasm seriously, I was very well aware that you probably did not see my response. And I very well know that Apple Fanboys cannot simply sit quiet.
Everybody uses chinese shit & we all know it, but what I find wrong with Apple is that they speak as if they are so philanthropic, they do not have profits as a priority & all that nonsense. Take an example, I am asking you, if you gave a work contract & if you found that children under 14 are being employed to do hard labour? What would you do? Would you say - Not my problem? I did not ask them to? Even if you are making lots of profit? No, on the contrary I would make sure that the contract is cancelled or modified to make sure children are not employed for the task.
All I am saying to Apple & its folks is - stop pretending about delivering products only through innovation , we only care about people not profit etc nonsense.
I have learnt long ago that sarcasm is usually wasted on Apple Fanboys
And I remember reading about releasing only after things are perfect, if that was so, why are patches & updates (not cosmetic) are even released by them.
Everybody uses chinese shit & we all know it, but what I find wrong with Apple is that they speak as if they are so philanthropic, they do not have profits as a priority & all that nonsense. Take an example, I am asking you, if you gave a work contract & if you found that children under 14 are being employed to do hard labour? What would you do? Would you say - Not my problem? I did not ask them to? Even if you are making lots of profit? No, on the contrary I would make sure that the contract is cancelled or modified to make sure children are not employed for the task.
All I am saying to Apple & its folks is - stop pretending about delivering products only through innovation , we only care about people not profit etc nonsense.
I have learnt long ago that sarcasm is usually wasted on Apple Fanboys
And I remember reading about releasing only after things are perfect, if that was so, why are patches & updates (not cosmetic) are even released by them.
After 6 years of staying the forum, I dont want to get banned now for the 1st time, so I will just shut up on the language comprehension part.But, you are quoting a paragraph, in which I have listed concerns of them claiming to be a company which has "ONLY" good intent for people & if they happen to make money thats good. Well, they are making TONS of MONEY, but I still feel they can do more in terms of making sure people who work at such factories are helped as much as possible. Other companies are equally bad or worse. But, atleast they dont go around making such sweet sounding noises. Now I dont know why you have replied saying no compromising on design to my THAT concern by quoting THATNow, coming to no compromise to design part - I am not saying they make horrible products, I am not saying they make the best products, they are making decent products, which many people are liking - fair enough. Even I would consider buying an Apple product. But, the compromise on design part - According to me, they are selling the "illusion" that its a wonderful product & the best that is possible , and that EVERYTHING ELSE is a cheap imitation & a not worthy of existence. Also, according to me they are overcharging and making insane profits, whereas they are neither making them more labour friendly, neither consumer friendly by pricing it fairly. You might be a buying a good product, but they are making you pay more for an illusion of a perfect product.
