^ What is wrong with charging for something they are selling? It isn't like they are forcing people to buy the stuff they sell. It is a publicly listed company, and they are in the 'business' to make money, not do charity. The amount of money MS has poured back to social service (via the Bill and Melinda foundation) is unprecedented. Which other company has given that kind of money to the society.As for patents, these are legal ownerships they have, not some marketing gimmicks. They spent money in devising stuff. Now if someone just comes over and starts using that thing for free, what is the point of spending all that. Anyone can make merry on someone else's effort.
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It isn't like they are forcing people to buy the stuff they sell.
Well, atleast for Nokia phones that are based on Symbian, u need Microsoft OS. For certain specific calling softwares, u need Microsoft OS. Leave that, few days back i got a wireless router which had a CD packed with it. The CD was made only for Microsoft OS or Mac......lobbying i guess?
Any difference if it forces u indirectly, instead of directly?
Leave that aside....even for stuff like WMP or IE, whenever u try to install it, it first validates ur copy of Windoze. And chances are, even if u have a genuine thing, it will still say u dont own a genuine OS. U change ur Motherboard/Processor & bang, u will have to go thru an ordeal to get ur machine running again.
I guess thats wrong.
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Which other company has given that kind of money to the society.
Well, thats ur money returned to u! And u feel good about that.
Well, atleast for Nokia phones that are based on Symbian, u need Microsoft OS. For certain specific calling softwares, u need Microsoft OS. Leave that, few days back i got a wireless router which had a CD packed with it. The CD was made only for Microsoft OS or Mac......lobbying i guess?
Any difference if it forces u indirectly, instead of directly?
Leave that aside....even for stuff like WMP or IE, whenever u try to install it, it first validates ur copy of Windoze. And chances are, even if u have a genuine thing, it will still say u dont own a genuine OS. U change ur Motherboard/Processor & bang, u will have to go thru an ordeal to get ur machine running again.
I guess thats wrong.
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Which other company has given that kind of money to the society.
Well, thats ur money returned to u! And u feel good about that.
simple question. if you write a book and are selling it in the market. how would you feel if pirated versions are of the book are sold right in front of you and none of that money is going to reach you? i can understand your view for folks who are in school or colleges. but people who work to make a living making such statements sounds baffling. i do not like the pricing of microsoft and adobe for their software. that does not mean that i would mock them for that. i am currently using a paid version of windows. but i got it for cheap. i would probably not pay the full price that microsoft charges because i find that baffling. but if i find a reasonably priced option, i would go ahead and do my bit. google makes money from ads through the android platform. if i am correct, they are already making more than a billion dollars per year through the android platform alone through mobile advertising. this is their business model. microsoft has a different model. it does not make them evil.
Well, if i see that the pirates are selling for low prices, then i wud just put a bookstall by the side of the pirates bookstall, and sell that book for a rupee more than what the pirate sells for.......ATLEAST half of the ppl buying pirated stuff, will buy it from me.Still, if i m more greedy, i will sell it for a rupee less than what the pirate is selling for.- All the folks who go to pirate, will flock to my stall.- Not only that, those who wud have avoided buying the book for some reason, wud have also got lured in by the kind of pricing for an original book.I wud make much more money than the pirate cud have made by selling my book's pirated copies. Not only that, i wud have avoided other 2 MAJOR COSTS:1) Losses arising due to low sales2) Controls i employ against anti-piracy measures.
You are mixing two things here. If a company writes software only for one OS, it doesn't mean the benefiting OS is to blame. If at all, it is the company which wrote the software which is responsible for not writing a similar one for every flavour of OS out there. If EA Sports isnt that enthusiastic when it comes to writing Mac based games, why blame Microsoft. The rule of business is to target the core market. And the the core market in desktops lies with Microsoft. That is why software is first written for Microsoft. I work in a company where we write software for both Mac and Windows. Apple gives a shit when it comes to support, though Microsoft is always more than forthcoming. Not just on volumes basis, but on a per license basis, the profits are better on a Microsoft platform as opposed to a Linux or Solaris or Mac. This is plain simple business.
Well, thats ur money returned to u! And u feel good about that.
Not correct. Once you buy something, it is THEIR money. You go to a shop, and buy some vegetables. Do you own both the money and the vegetables at this stage? Normally, one doesn't.
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You are comparing a pirate - who paid ZERO as creation costs - to someone who spent millions of dollars on creating it? Awesome
Well, thats ur money returned to u! And u feel good about that.
Not correct. Once you buy something, it is THEIR money. You go to a shop, and buy some vegetables. Do you own both the money and the vegetables at this stage? Normally, one doesn't.
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You are comparing a pirate - who paid ZERO as creation costs - to someone who spent millions of dollars on creating it? Awesome
Well, if i see that the pirates are selling for low prices, then i wud just put a bookstall by the side of the pirates bookstall, and sell that book for a rupee more than what the pirate sells for.......ATLEAST half of the ppl buying pirated stuff, will buy it from me.
Still, if i m more greedy, i will sell it for a rupee less than what the pirate is selling for.
- All the folks who go to pirate, will flock to my stall.
- Not only that, those who wud have avoided buying the book for some reason, wud have also got lured in by the kind of pricing for an original book.
I wud make much more money than the pirate cud have made by selling my book's pirated copies. Not only that, i wud have avoided other 2 MAJOR COSTS:
1) Losses arising due to low sales
2) Controls i employ against anti-piracy measures.
What if your book is sold globally in every street in every country out there? What are you going to do? And what if production of the book requires you to recover a significant amount of revenue to ensure that you can continue writing more books? Consider the book as a stupid analogy of complex software that requires thousands of hundreds of hours of programming?
Look at the bigger picture. Microsoft has done a lot of wrong stuff. They continue to do a lot of things wrong. But their business model is not wrong here. Your statements sounds like richard stallman. He makes some good points but that's not how this world works.
Still, if i m more greedy, i will sell it for a rupee less than what the pirate is selling for.
- All the folks who go to pirate, will flock to my stall.
- Not only that, those who wud have avoided buying the book for some reason, wud have also got lured in by the kind of pricing for an original book.
I wud make much more money than the pirate cud have made by selling my book's pirated copies. Not only that, i wud have avoided other 2 MAJOR COSTS:
1) Losses arising due to low sales
2) Controls i employ against anti-piracy measures.
What if your book is sold globally in every street in every country out there? What are you going to do? And what if production of the book requires you to recover a significant amount of revenue to ensure that you can continue writing more books? Consider the book as a stupid analogy of complex software that requires thousands of hundreds of hours of programming?
Look at the bigger picture. Microsoft has done a lot of wrong stuff. They continue to do a lot of things wrong. But their business model is not wrong here. Your statements sounds like richard stallman. He makes some good points but that's not how this world works.
To counter the global scenario, they already have the global presence! They have set up centres in major nations! All i say is - sell ur OS at cut-throat prices....
U want realistic view, then too its simple.....just tell me whats the Variable cost per unit? The Disc, the package, the manual may be? Rest all r fixed? All u need to do is recover ur fixed component. Now u can do that by charging astronomical prices for handful of customers, or, by charging down to earth prices for all & sundry.
Theres no difference between the 2, except that in the latter, u will not have to worry about loss in sales due to piracy or the measures u employ to curb piracy, which are useless altogether!
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@ Agantuk....
Instead of pirate earning an "X" amount, its always better that u urself earn that "X" amount.
U want realistic view, then too its simple.....just tell me whats the Variable cost per unit? The Disc, the package, the manual may be? Rest all r fixed? All u need to do is recover ur fixed component. Now u can do that by charging astronomical prices for handful of customers, or, by charging down to earth prices for all & sundry.
Theres no difference between the 2, except that in the latter, u will not have to worry about loss in sales due to piracy or the measures u employ to curb piracy, which are useless altogether!
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@ Agantuk....
Instead of pirate earning an "X" amount, its always better that u urself earn that "X" amount.
when you are a public company, you can no longer be a let's be this profitable company. you have to maximize your revenues and generate as much profit as possible because that is what the investors want from you. if you deal in stocks. what would you like? the company you invested in to work on a no profit no loss basis? that would not give you any returns for your money. the world does not work like that.you have just started working. you would realize eventually that businesses do not work like a customer would want them to run. it's ironic that software companies charging obscene money for their work would not pay for the tools and services used to create their work...
I think u misunderstood what i said......actually i have the habit of assuming "Fixed component", to be inclusive of Profits.....thats how it goes in Costing, so i forgot to make that clarification!Until u are earning over and above ur Variable costs, at some point u will break even & start making profits. Now when will u break even, depends upon the amount u charge over variable costs, the quantum of sales u can effect, and such factors.So, i m not demanding that Microsoft shud run on no profit-no loss basis. I m just saying that instead of incurring losses due to piracy & due to anti-piracy measures, u simply reduce ur sales price per unit. That reduction will bring in such volume, that it will counter ur reduction in prices.In simpler words......u either take 10 and give back 5, or u just take 5 to begin with.
All that sounds good on paper, but the real world works very differently. Microsoft really isn't as bothered about piracy now as it used to be earlier. Some amount of piracy is good for all software as it acts as indirect word of mouth.
Software development costs are enormous. MS has spent in excess of $8B just to keep Bing in the race to catch up with Google. They are still to recover their costs, let alone be in profits. Creating good stuff requires good brains, and good brains come at a premium. There are only so many in the world who would want to work for free or on a bare essential pay. More than MS, it is human greed which is driving corporates crazy
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Talking about pricing, people always want the cheapest. So pricing for something 'above' a pirate's cost won't necessarily help. Heck, people share a pirated copy itself, they don't pay the pirate multiple times, why will they pay the company, that too more than that?
Windows CDs sell for 100 bucks in the grey market. MS will shutdown in less than a year if they had to sell Windows at that price. That is like less than 1% of their selling cost. People don't want to buy even a discounted piece - case in point my recent for sale thread for a Windows 7 Ultimate license worth 11500 (post discount), being sold for just 2900 didn't attract any buyers.
Software development costs are enormous. MS has spent in excess of $8B just to keep Bing in the race to catch up with Google. They are still to recover their costs, let alone be in profits. Creating good stuff requires good brains, and good brains come at a premium. There are only so many in the world who would want to work for free or on a bare essential pay. More than MS, it is human greed which is driving corporates crazy
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Talking about pricing, people always want the cheapest. So pricing for something 'above' a pirate's cost won't necessarily help. Heck, people share a pirated copy itself, they don't pay the pirate multiple times, why will they pay the company, that too more than that?
Windows CDs sell for 100 bucks in the grey market. MS will shutdown in less than a year if they had to sell Windows at that price. That is like less than 1% of their selling cost. People don't want to buy even a discounted piece - case in point my recent for sale thread for a Windows 7 Ultimate license worth 11500 (post discount), being sold for just 2900 didn't attract any buyers.
