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In mumbai MS guys or whoever check for pirated versions in corporate and fine if found. (Maybe in other states too)For MS products one can buy a technet account for 15-18K and get keys for various products.90% or maybe 95% users worldwide have MS OS installed so why angry about getting something which can run on windowzzz only.If one doesn't likes something then don't buy it (Majboori alag baat hai 
). Piracy should be for sharing not selling but many earn thr living by that 
On Topic: Promoting the Nokia lumia phone in few cities in India i can say the response for the phone is good but not that good in pre-booking (out of 50 only 3-4 are interested in prebook) , people with iPhone's are giving good remarks to the OS and the built of the phone
). Piracy should be for sharing not selling but many earn thr living by that On Topic: Promoting the Nokia lumia phone in few cities in India i can say the response for the phone is good but not that good in pre-booking (out of 50 only 3-4 are interested in prebook) , people with iPhone's are giving good remarks to the OS and the built of the phone 
As for patents, these are legal ownerships they have, not some marketing gimmicks. They spent money in devising stuff. Now if someone just comes over and starts using that thing for free, what is the point of spending all that. Anyone can make merry on someone else's effort.
The question is the social value of the patents. Should all patents work on the same principle? Motorola has the patents to packet data technology used in 3G connections. So should all other companies be barred from using this technology? Historically, patents are meant to be time bound tools that allow a company to capitalize on its innovations and incentivize research and development but they have to expire at some point so that society can benefit from that patent.
The question is the social value of the patents. Should all patents work on the same principle? Motorola has the patents to packet data technology used in 3G connections. So should all other companies be barred from using this technology? Historically, patents are meant to be time bound tools that allow a company to capitalize on its innovations and incentivize research and development but they have to expire at some point so that society can benefit from that patent.
^ True. And patents do come with a time limit with an option to renew on extra payment. Based on how profitable the patent is, companies have been known to renew their patents.Moreover patents do NOT prevent anyone from using a certain invention. It is just that they are required to pay for it, which is very fair IMO
@ Agantuk.....
Microsoft really isn't as bothered about piracy now as it used to be earlier. Some amount of piracy is good for all software as it acts as indirect word of mouth.
Then y r they so paranoid over it? In their latest edition of Officesuite, they ask u for activation every 3 months. What has it done? Even legit buyers are thinking atleast 10 times before upgrading to it! Leave aside that "Word of mouth thing". They wudnt have been treating legit buyers like criminals, if they werent that paranoid about piracy.
All that does is, shoo off even the ppl who used to buy pirated stuff.......the word of mouth which u r referring to. All that has done is, ppl like me are now using open source as much as possible & also spreading a bad name against them!
U wud say what wud 1 or 2 or even a bigger handful of ppl wud do.......i wud say that negative publicity spreads faster than positive. Its a different fact that whatever negative is being spread, is atleast 90-95% true.
Windows CDs sell for 100 bucks in the grey market. MS will shutdown in less than a year if they had to sell Windows at that price. That is like less than 1% of their selling cost.
What selling cost? I can visualise only this much - (I MAY BE WRONG, CORRECT ME WHEREVER NECESSARY!)
Advertising.......well u dont need advertising if u sell Original OS for petty 100 bucks.
Media for OS......DVDs hardly cost Rs.8 per piece even in retail markets, leave aside a large scale business like this.
Packaging......do what the local pirate does - put it in a simple plastic cover with a dull looking snap of Windows. Nobody wud even care to look at it, if they get original OS for 100 bucks.
Distribution......well its not physical goods. All u have to do is transfer the intangible content from one nation to another. Thats negligible cost.......
Salaries of sales guys/Commission......may be this can be a major chunk of the cost, but still it can end up well within reasonable limits on per unit basis, as the no. of units sold go up.
As a result, they wud earn respectable amounts per unit - way over and above the per unit variable costs. After x no. of units, they can recover the fixed costs fully & whatever they get after that, will be clear profit!
Ah, and why did i again forget what Moserbaer is doing........same thing what i mentioned above. Ur local media vendor who owns a small shoplet also sells Moserbaer CD/DVDs.....they have just about decent packing material & off u go! I have numerous Moserbaer CDs with me. Instead of going to the pirate, i went to the shop & bought the original stuff!
Microsoft really isn't as bothered about piracy now as it used to be earlier. Some amount of piracy is good for all software as it acts as indirect word of mouth.
Then y r they so paranoid over it? In their latest edition of Officesuite, they ask u for activation every 3 months. What has it done? Even legit buyers are thinking atleast 10 times before upgrading to it! Leave aside that "Word of mouth thing". They wudnt have been treating legit buyers like criminals, if they werent that paranoid about piracy.
All that does is, shoo off even the ppl who used to buy pirated stuff.......the word of mouth which u r referring to. All that has done is, ppl like me are now using open source as much as possible & also spreading a bad name against them!
U wud say what wud 1 or 2 or even a bigger handful of ppl wud do.......i wud say that negative publicity spreads faster than positive. Its a different fact that whatever negative is being spread, is atleast 90-95% true.
Windows CDs sell for 100 bucks in the grey market. MS will shutdown in less than a year if they had to sell Windows at that price. That is like less than 1% of their selling cost.
What selling cost? I can visualise only this much - (I MAY BE WRONG, CORRECT ME WHEREVER NECESSARY!
)Advertising.......well u dont need advertising if u sell Original OS for petty 100 bucks.
Media for OS......DVDs hardly cost Rs.8 per piece even in retail markets, leave aside a large scale business like this.
Packaging......do what the local pirate does - put it in a simple plastic cover with a dull looking snap of Windows. Nobody wud even care to look at it, if they get original OS for 100 bucks.
Distribution......well its not physical goods. All u have to do is transfer the intangible content from one nation to another. Thats negligible cost.......
Salaries of sales guys/Commission......may be this can be a major chunk of the cost, but still it can end up well within reasonable limits on per unit basis, as the no. of units sold go up.
As a result, they wud earn respectable amounts per unit - way over and above the per unit variable costs. After x no. of units, they can recover the fixed costs fully & whatever they get after that, will be clear profit!
Ah, and why did i again forget what Moserbaer is doing........same thing what i mentioned above. Ur local media vendor who owns a small shoplet also sells Moserbaer CD/DVDs.....they have just about decent packing material & off u go! I have numerous Moserbaer CDs with me. Instead of going to the pirate, i went to the shop & bought the original stuff!
^ Pray, where do you factor in development costs? How many of those rupees out of 100 you would give for development of the OS - just hardware / infrastructural spends, assuming all their engineers start working for free?Secondly, if negative WoM would really have been so huge against MS, Linux would have been rocking desktops by now. Fact of the matter is, in the last 15 years I have been in this field, Linux remains an elitist option. MS' desktop dominance has dropped by a MASSIVE 5% in the last 10 years.
The negativity is actually a current trend. Until XP was doing fine, ppl had no qualms. Until Office 2003 worked fine, they had no qualms......but its now that the unnecessary checks have been deployed, which are annoying everyone.And for the development & such costs, i said its the "Fixed" component. That will be recovered from the difference between Selling price, & Variable cost. Be it the salaries of engineers/programmers/testers, be it the hardware/other infrastructure.......
^ You are obviously new when it comes to trends in the software industry, so I won't get into details here, but this is not a 'new' trend. It has been around for quite some time now. And the 'fixed' component that you have mentioned is so huge, that even after selling millions of copies of Windows at those high rates, profits are bare minimal. Dropping costs and riding on volumes, will only aggravate the problems.
leasantry:@ Agantuk....1) As it is they are losing out on revenue by charging so much.....11.5k for just 1 OS? U ignore those "Microsoft specific softwares", and there is nothing special it offers to u! In short, this loss wud be saved.2) They are spending huge chunk of their earnings on Anti-piracy measures. Which are again not working as they shud be. Even that cost cud be completely done away with, if they sell it at cut throat prices.High prices, doesnt always ensure u high profits. Go thru a few pricing theories to get more clarity on this, as i might have made some mistakes here & there while explaining.
