admin said:
well we also tend to ignore a lot of other things that are very cheap in india compared to rest of the world.
food for example.
Almost everything except accommodation, it seems.
manu1991 said:
incomes are also a lot lower , so that compensates everything . and in case of technology where most products are similarly priced it overcompensates stuff .
That depends. If you're earning 5 lakhs a year in India, thats a livable wage in NZ... works out to about NZD$15k I guess... but price of everything has skyrocketed in the last 5 years, so in actual fact I find myself looking at the
Lifestyle here and the lifestyle in India, and now I'm trying to convince my parents to sell everything and move to Kerala.
admin said:
well if indian government had planned it like the chinese government... we would have gained too.
but here in india. government does nothing. private bodies does something. as soon as they get on something big. government would start interfering. increases taxes. implement new laws. maximize their own profits before the thing dies due to excessive government interference. BPO industry in india is going to die. we do not have any hardware market. software is i guess left but china would take it someday too.
If we're talking about Singapore... when was Singapore ever Chinese? I remember it was British - as was India. The question then would be: how did Singapore infrastructure get so good while Indian infrastructure is rather rubbish by comparison?
Shreeraman said:
I agree Carley, But at the start of the DotCom revolution in early 70's there were not much undersea cables, Its after 85's this kind of rapid development took place in SE Asia. When you said about singapore's size, it still has a very good infrastructure which lacks in Mumbai, The Flood Capital Of INDIA.
True dat... but why? Both countries used to be run by the same folks.
Shreeraman said:
There are many ways to develop in a field irrespective of the pro's and con's. If Airtel uses the rest of its bandwidth it can offer much cheaper broadband all over India in a span of 2 yrs max. It has
3M's of management, Sunil just think's "What he can do if i provide such hi speed connection..? Anyways he is abt to dload movies and other stuff."
So In that way the Customer who was once king for such companies is now in the streets running for justice in consumer forums.
ShreeRaman
Airtel could potentially do what every other ISP in the world seems to want to do or is beginning to do or in some cases is doing: throttle torrent speeds. Then it would be possible to provide 100mbit/s unlimited for like Rs3k... in fact if it weren't for torrents, I probably would already! But I know that a) I can't really throttle torrents except on the special "Hayai Lite" plans I've been proposing and b) To do so would cause a negative reaction from my potential customers. Perhaps Mr Mittal could learn from b)
Shreeraman said:
FYI Admin,
I was sayin about Singapore where ppl from different parts of the world are ruling and not the chinese.
There is no such control of internet in Singapore, they only block porn sites whic is very common. Its a goverment which thinks Digital and not like us.
I give you a link where the PM uses his
Nokia N95 to connect with his personal webpage.
- Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong demos QIK[/URL]
The service is provided by Singtel in Singapore, but here when every state and its district gets its own infrastructre ready for a digital age there will be a need for such Greedy A** to provide QoS with top priority.
ShreeRaman
All consumer internet in India, and in many countries abroad is provided on a best effort basis. There is no QoS. If we had QoS, The 16mbit/s line I'm sitting on here in NZ would get 16mbit/s, not 4 (though at least there *is* no restriction on speed here... just data transfer.
Shreeraman said:
S ite very much true, no one cares when you use youtube or any other video streaming service, but once you start using torrents you might get into trouble, But there are some exceptions like downloading a legal or public torrent is permitted for downloading a free project or linux,etc,.
Problem starts when u get involved into downloading pirated stuffs.
ShreeRaman
Naturally. Because it is seen as a crime (it's not, but the **AA will have everyone believing it is)
admin said:
i am not suggesting here anything. but if you have such a control on the internet, you can afford to give out cheaper bandwidth because misuse is controlled.
Hence why our Hayai lite plans could be cheaper - little to no misuse means that despite the "limits", most people should not hit them. My personal advice to Mr Mittal would be to simplify EVERYTHING. In the next plan change, take away all speed limits on all plans except unlimited ones. Make unlimited plans properly unlimited, and price them right. I sincerely believe that Airtel could provide services like us, with full-speed data plans at a reasonable price per GB, and unlimited services starting from Rs750 for 512kbit/s up to Rs 2999 for 2mbit/s.
Fiber_Optic said:
I would rather have slow, but free internet, than have a fast net service with the govt is snooping around.
Ofcourse overall I would like to have free and fast internet connection, like in most of the westren world.
Trust me, the slow "free" internet you think you have in India does not exist. Under the ISP license, we have to let the government snoop in on your activity. As does every other license holder. So unless you're obtaining internet through a non-license holding entity...
manu1991 said:
Sweden , Norway , Denmark
None of those countries internet are free. Sweden least of all, oddly enough. Mostly on the cybercrime stuff because of course they get a lot of Russian traffic going through Sweden... but because "piracy" is sort of technically legal under Swedish law, they don't care about it, but that's a whole different discussion.
TheSilentShadow said:
The majority of the population in India is happy with a connection that just gives them basic browsing speeds. I don't think they are even aware of FUP or come close to crossing the limits because they don't realize the potential of the Internet. The people on this forum are a minority, and Airtel knows this. Consequently, even if they lose such a small consumer base of power users, they will still be making money off the majority.
If by "potential" you mean all the things that Airtel is advertising, such as downloading movies then yeah, you're right. But there are plenty of other things to do online than to download the latest blockbuster.
What is most annoying to me about the Airtel FUPs is that I know what my costs are in buying bandwidth from Airtel, and so I know just how stingy they are being, based on my costs only. But since they own the cables *and* buy a lot more bandwidth than I do, I can assume safely that their costs are significantly lower than mine, which makes them look not just stingy, but greedy.
TheSilentShadow said:
I don't agree that wireless is necessarily bad, with the right infrastructure you can provide service with much lower infrastructure costs for a higher speed. You may not get good stable pings for gaming but it would be ok otherwise.
Wireless is good if implemented properly. But that's where wireless in India seems to fall over. We've all heard of countless stories of nodes being oversubscribed and so on... and for what? They shouldn't have to do that... and especially since they're all publishing contention ratios now (which are just confusing because contention ratios are measured differently for wireless, cable,
adsl etc), one would think that oversubscription should not be even possible.
admin said:
the kind of population densities we have here in india... wireless broadband would cost as much as wireline broadband.
remember the times when during major festivals, most SMS gateways just go down delivering messages hours after they were sent?
cities in india... cannot sustain on wireless broadband alone. almost everywhere around the world, its wired broadband that is the primary form of connectivity.
wireless is an alternative form of connectivity. rural areas, faroff places, hostile places...
+1
Though the cost per wireless subscriber I think can be a lot less. We'll probably end up doing wireless, as I have mentioned, only for Rural subscribers and for our "lite" subscribers.
donthave said:
In the USA, AT&T started FUP for 3G internet access as it says it cannot provide premium wireless access at the costs. If u take this argument, 3G is doomed in India.
All over the western world, Wired broadband is the main source of internet.
In India, for prices to fall, the govt companies (BSNL, MTNL) need to reduce the prices which will lead to price war and reduction of prices.
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Personally I am very happy with airtel, with 1Mbps speed, prompt service, negligible downtime. I think peace of mind is very important.
AT&T is also being stingy. All the Finnish operators are dealing with
iPhone and so forth (which is AT&T's biggest burden) without too much trouble. Granted, it's a smaller coverage area, but then the population is less.
But I agree... in urban areas, wired access should be king unless it is impossible to provide otherwise. That's why we're building all new.
donthave said:
I already have 100GB FUP in this plan. Luckily i never crossed the limit.
But still luking at some of my other friends, this is the best.
I had been in the USA, Broadband is not cheap there either. But they dont have FUP over there
Airtel has, for quite some time, been "the least of all evils" - to it's detriment, this seems to be changing with the new plans.
