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mgcarley
Founder, Hayai Broadband
What happened to railwire?
wont it ever expand?:wall:
Railtel (Railwire) is having some issues getting the last-mile connectivity, especially in Mumbai that I know of. Otherwise they have tons of fibre all over the railway network itself.
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Comcast, and TWC aren't really held in high esteem by their subscribers, so I don't think it is a fair comparison. They can best be compared with Reliance and Tata
Maybe so, but there are very few ISPs left in the USA who don't have data caps or fair usage policies similar to what we see in India.
wont it ever expand?:wall:
Railtel (Railwire) is having some issues getting the last-mile connectivity, especially in Mumbai that I know of. Otherwise they have tons of fibre all over the railway network itself.
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Comcast, and TWC aren't really held in high esteem by their subscribers, so I don't think it is a fair comparison. They can best be compared with Reliance and Tata
Maybe so, but there are very few ISPs left in the USA who don't have data caps or fair usage policies similar to what we see in India.
Expectation of unlimited plan : 1mbps @ Rs.999/- with 2 mbps in Night(9pm to 6am)....
By the end of this year.......
:wewin:
sounds good but u need to wait for 2010 indian ISP should start providing in Mbps (korea to get Gbps by 2012:S
By the end of this year.......
:wewin:sounds good but u need to wait for 2010 indian ISP should start providing in Mbps (korea to get Gbps by 2012:S
Maybe so, but there are very few ISPs left in the USA who don't have data caps or fair usage policies similar to what we see in India.
Well, this is going O/T, but I believe Optimum and FiOS, neither of them have data caps, and are pretty stable, particularly the latter.
Well, this is going O/T, but I believe Optimum and FiOS, neither of them have data caps, and are pretty stable, particularly the latter.
mgcarley
Founder, Hayai Broadband
Well, this is going O/T, but I believe Optimum and FiOS, neither of them have data caps, and are pretty stable, particularly the latter.
I think Verizon and CableVision are the almost the last sane ISPs in that country, but they are certainly exceptions to the rule. Doesn't mean it will necessarily happen here for 2 reasons:
1. Peering costs in India (whereas it's free in the USA)
2. About 75% of traffic from this country goes to the USA (I assume mainly HTTP traffic in this instance, I can't say for sure).
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sounds good but u need to wait for 2010 indian ISP should start providing in Mbps (korea to get Gbps by 2012:S
Korea is one of those countries which:
1. The government is supporting and aiding the rollout of fibre
2. Is small by comparison to India
3. Has a lot of internal traffic (huge amounts of gaming, internally hosted content)
4. Has a lot of competition, unbundled loops and so forth.
It really helps, but even on a 1Gbits connection in that country, you don't get it on an international transfer.
The same is true of most of Scandinavia, France and Japan.
I've seen the traffic graphs at FICIX (Finnish IX), and the average ISP is only doing about 3.5Gbits per second on each international links at any given time (I say only - let's assume each ISP has 100,000 people accessing it), but torrents and streaming video are huge there - even on mobile, and normally it's very possible to get full-speed on torrents and such.
So, these are the models we're trying to follow, as I've mentioned in other posts (particularly my own thread): hosting great amounts of actual content should surely help our speeds significantly.
I think Verizon and CableVision are the almost the last sane ISPs in that country, but they are certainly exceptions to the rule. Doesn't mean it will necessarily happen here for 2 reasons:
1. Peering costs in India (whereas it's free in the USA)
2. About 75% of traffic from this country goes to the USA (I assume mainly HTTP traffic in this instance, I can't say for sure).
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sounds good but u need to wait for 2010 indian ISP should start providing in Mbps (korea to get Gbps by 2012:S
Korea is one of those countries which:
1. The government is supporting and aiding the rollout of fibre
2. Is small by comparison to India
3. Has a lot of internal traffic (huge amounts of gaming, internally hosted content)
4. Has a lot of competition, unbundled loops and so forth.
It really helps, but even on a 1Gbits connection in that country, you don't get it on an international transfer.
The same is true of most of Scandinavia, France and Japan.
I've seen the traffic graphs at FICIX (Finnish IX), and the average ISP is only doing about 3.5Gbits per second on each international links at any given time (I say only - let's assume each ISP has 100,000 people accessing it), but torrents and streaming video are huge there - even on mobile, and normally it's very possible to get full-speed on torrents and such.
So, these are the models we're trying to follow, as I've mentioned in other posts (particularly my own thread): hosting great amounts of actual content should surely help our speeds significantly.
mgcarley
Founder, Hayai Broadband
Naw talk about India.
I ask some questions to you :
Can you buy even 100 rupee item from dot com company?
May be you can but generally very very less number of peoples can do it. And now even Americans can’t do that, because of shopping malls and dot com revolution is over.
How many peoples in India using internet? (as percentage of population)
Below 7%, last time I checked.
How many can get internet connection at home? (as percentage of population)
Not sure, but certainly I would say 30%, as this would cover the top cities.
Why you need more bandwidth?
For piracy.
Will you getting any problem in surfing at 256 kbps?
Piracy is a by-product, not necessarily the driving force behind which demand for more bandwidth. There are plenty of reasons *I* can think of to use more than 256kbits.
I can barely tolerate using this site on 256k. Let alone Gmail (even in Opera, Gmail with the new interface is sloooooooow). Add up all those seconds wasted waiting for webpages to load, and you've got many minutes, possibly even hours in a day of wasted time.
In Japan, piracy isn't very common, yet has among the highest internet speeds available in the world. When I was finishing high-school there in 2001, 8Mbits unlimited ADSL was just coming out, for the equivalent of about US$60 at the time. Now, you'll get 160Mbits for that price.
Plus, you have web-development companies and then even simple things like Windows and Virus definition updates which, if they took less time would be far more effective and better: I would be able to continue downloading some other file or watching videos on [insert name of site here].
In Scandinavian countries in particular, Internet access is considered *a right*, not a privilege, and it's provided free at school, at home (for those living in student housing), in public libraries (including a BYO laptop and cable option) and in certain areas by WiFi.
Will broadband market India seriously demand high speed broadband?
Yes. India needs to be brought in to the 21st century - whether by being gently led, or dragged kicking and screaming (so to speak).
:thumbsup:And don’t worry, Airtel’s is now connecting India to Europe under its Europe India gateway project. When this project is done then you may hope 2 mbps to 8mbps in affordable price. But it takes some time.
But I will like recommend ISP’s to provide 64kbps internet for free of cost(with telephone connection).
Bharti's cable to Europe will be complete in 2010. For now, they already have i2i and are part of the SMW4 consortium, as is Tata (yet they are priced differently).
Given the release of Seacom (also a Tata project at this end) servicing India to Europe via Africa, why are we not seeing reduced pricing from them already? It has a capacity of 8.4Tbits *by itself*, though I'm not sure at present how much of that is lit, as it was just opened a couple of weeks ago.
i2i and SMW4 are also similarly "huge" in terms of capacity (multiple Tbits, I don't remember OTOH) - yet a significant percentage of that capacty remains unlit. Similarly with FLAG (Reliance). If they wanted, they could light up more capacity on the existing cables, but this has barely started to happen, though I think if anyone, Bharti is beginning to do this now.
It is not now, nor has it ever been (at least in the past 9 years or so) a problem of lack of bandwidth between India and Europe, Asia and the USA.
And please don’t blame govt & sarkari baboos they do nothing in it. They just doing for wireless telecomm, but not for Airtel/BSNL landline broadband services.
I suggest you check your history, newspapers, ISP regulatory documentation, licence agreements and security requirements that we have to follow. We are laying cables, and obtaining right-of-way access is not a cheap or easy proposition. There is A LOT of BS that we have to go through. Licensing of wireless spectrums (WiMax and 3G) are but a drop in the ocean.
Reason for low bandwidth is that we don’t have enough telecomm infrastructure till now.
Suggest you check any bandwidth maps of India. There are thousands of Kilometers of unlit fibre nationwide, and that which is lit, isn't carrying too much, even though it's capable of multiple Gbits, if not Tbits.. Currently NIXI Mumbai has an average constant transfer rate between 4 and 6 Gbits per second depending on the hours.
The problem for most ISPs is Last Mile and the Right of Way.
If you need more bandwidth then ask your local cable operator, if he has little bit of brain in his head he can provide you internet. Because It is possible to provide internet to limited area via cable of cable TV network and second reason is that there business is already fuked up because of DTH if he has brain he can do it and provide you about 1mbps at 1000 rupee/month.
DTH (Satellite) Internet access is laggy and slow, and should not be used by anyone expecting real-time, 2-way communication - except where it's impossible to get anything else.
Satellite doesn't really provide decent speeds for anything except steady flows of information, otherwise, valuable milliseconds (or even seconds) could be lost while waiting for pages to load or waiting for the next mail to download over IMAP.
I also suggest you check the wholesale prices of bandwidth. 1Mbits unlimited for 1000 rupees per month will send your average VSNL reseller (which most cablewalas are) bankrupt. In their case, last-mile is NOT the problem, rather the price of wholesale bandwidth.
I ask some questions to you :
Can you buy even 100 rupee item from dot com company?
May be you can but generally very very less number of peoples can do it. And now even Americans can’t do that, because of shopping malls and dot com revolution is over.
How many peoples in India using internet? (as percentage of population)
Below 7%, last time I checked.
How many can get internet connection at home? (as percentage of population)
Not sure, but certainly I would say 30%, as this would cover the top cities.
Why you need more bandwidth?
For piracy.
Will you getting any problem in surfing at 256 kbps?
Piracy is a by-product, not necessarily the driving force behind which demand for more bandwidth. There are plenty of reasons *I* can think of to use more than 256kbits.
I can barely tolerate using this site on 256k. Let alone Gmail (even in Opera, Gmail with the new interface is sloooooooow). Add up all those seconds wasted waiting for webpages to load, and you've got many minutes, possibly even hours in a day of wasted time.
In Japan, piracy isn't very common, yet has among the highest internet speeds available in the world. When I was finishing high-school there in 2001, 8Mbits unlimited ADSL was just coming out, for the equivalent of about US$60 at the time. Now, you'll get 160Mbits for that price.
Plus, you have web-development companies and then even simple things like Windows and Virus definition updates which, if they took less time would be far more effective and better: I would be able to continue downloading some other file or watching videos on [insert name of site here].
In Scandinavian countries in particular, Internet access is considered *a right*, not a privilege, and it's provided free at school, at home (for those living in student housing), in public libraries (including a BYO laptop and cable option) and in certain areas by WiFi.
Will broadband market India seriously demand high speed broadband?
Yes. India needs to be brought in to the 21st century - whether by being gently led, or dragged kicking and screaming (so to speak).
:thumbsup:And don’t worry, Airtel’s is now connecting India to Europe under its Europe India gateway project. When this project is done then you may hope 2 mbps to 8mbps in affordable price. But it takes some time.
But I will like recommend ISP’s to provide 64kbps internet for free of cost(with telephone connection).
Bharti's cable to Europe will be complete in 2010. For now, they already have i2i and are part of the SMW4 consortium, as is Tata (yet they are priced differently).
Given the release of Seacom (also a Tata project at this end) servicing India to Europe via Africa, why are we not seeing reduced pricing from them already? It has a capacity of 8.4Tbits *by itself*, though I'm not sure at present how much of that is lit, as it was just opened a couple of weeks ago.
i2i and SMW4 are also similarly "huge" in terms of capacity (multiple Tbits, I don't remember OTOH) - yet a significant percentage of that capacty remains unlit. Similarly with FLAG (Reliance). If they wanted, they could light up more capacity on the existing cables, but this has barely started to happen, though I think if anyone, Bharti is beginning to do this now.
It is not now, nor has it ever been (at least in the past 9 years or so) a problem of lack of bandwidth between India and Europe, Asia and the USA.
And please don’t blame govt & sarkari baboos they do nothing in it. They just doing for wireless telecomm, but not for Airtel/BSNL landline broadband services.
I suggest you check your history, newspapers, ISP regulatory documentation, licence agreements and security requirements that we have to follow. We are laying cables, and obtaining right-of-way access is not a cheap or easy proposition. There is A LOT of BS that we have to go through. Licensing of wireless spectrums (WiMax and 3G) are but a drop in the ocean.
Reason for low bandwidth is that we don’t have enough telecomm infrastructure till now.
Suggest you check any bandwidth maps of India. There are thousands of Kilometers of unlit fibre nationwide, and that which is lit, isn't carrying too much, even though it's capable of multiple Gbits, if not Tbits.. Currently NIXI Mumbai has an average constant transfer rate between 4 and 6 Gbits per second depending on the hours.
The problem for most ISPs is Last Mile and the Right of Way.
If you need more bandwidth then ask your local cable operator, if he has little bit of brain in his head he can provide you internet. Because It is possible to provide internet to limited area via cable of cable TV network and second reason is that there business is already fuked up because of DTH if he has brain he can do it and provide you about 1mbps at 1000 rupee/month.
DTH (Satellite) Internet access is laggy and slow, and should not be used by anyone expecting real-time, 2-way communication - except where it's impossible to get anything else.
Satellite doesn't really provide decent speeds for anything except steady flows of information, otherwise, valuable milliseconds (or even seconds) could be lost while waiting for pages to load or waiting for the next mail to download over IMAP.
I also suggest you check the wholesale prices of bandwidth. 1Mbits unlimited for 1000 rupees per month will send your average VSNL reseller (which most cablewalas are) bankrupt. In their case, last-mile is NOT the problem, rather the price of wholesale bandwidth.
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Why you need more bandwidth?
For piracy.
heh. a little presumptuous and opinionated eh?
(i know from your other posts you are troll-ish but)
That's like saying:
"Why do you need clean drinking water" For drowning people.
"Why do you need more electricity with no power cuts" For electrocuting people anytime anywhere.
"Why do you need a faster car" For running over people (faster).
"Sachin, why do you need a cricket bat" For beating people up.
For piracy.
heh. a little presumptuous and opinionated eh?
(i know from your other posts you are troll-ish but)
That's like saying:
"Why do you need clean drinking water" For drowning people.
"Why do you need more electricity with no power cuts" For electrocuting people anytime anywhere.
"Why do you need a faster car" For running over people (faster).
"Sachin, why do you need a cricket bat" For beating people up.