Hayai Broadband Lite
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dmastermindrahul
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We don't have flat-rate on Hayai Lite, and never will. These are strictly data plans only with a maximum of 30GB per month as users wanting more data than this aren't really the target audience for the "Hayai Lite" product.
There never has been any speed reduction on the flat-rate fiber plans, either. The FUP is an FUP for the sake of letting customers know what could be considered as "reasonable", and not a limit after which we will reduce speed or anything like that - unless, of course, the customers usage is SO unreasonable that we have to do something like get them to curb their usage or upgrade their plan. Even then, this FUP only applies to off-net traffic.
Data plans are data plans - PAYG (rounded up to the nearest 0.1GB/Re1) or Prepaid: both cost Rs10/GB.
Chances are good that the night flat-rate plans will be removed because there hasn't been much interest expressed in them at all, so in the interest of "keeping it simple", they're not really worth having.
Hi MGC
Just a small suggestion,why dont you raise the limit of the Hayai Lite to 50gb atleast.So that the places where you cannot give wireline connection atleast we can take Hayai Lite.Also you may need to have a relook at the"no recharge of your limit once you cross it for the month" clause of Hayai Lite.So that you can get subscribers till you can give them the wire connection.Btwwith the new technology what is the avg and max speed you are hoping to get.
There never has been any speed reduction on the flat-rate fiber plans, either. The FUP is an FUP for the sake of letting customers know what could be considered as "reasonable", and not a limit after which we will reduce speed or anything like that - unless, of course, the customers usage is SO unreasonable that we have to do something like get them to curb their usage or upgrade their plan. Even then, this FUP only applies to off-net traffic.
Data plans are data plans - PAYG (rounded up to the nearest 0.1GB/Re1) or Prepaid: both cost Rs10/GB.
Chances are good that the night flat-rate plans will be removed because there hasn't been much interest expressed in them at all, so in the interest of "keeping it simple", they're not really worth having.
Hi MGC
Just a small suggestion,why dont you raise the limit of the Hayai Lite to 50gb atleast.So that the places where you cannot give wireline connection atleast we can take Hayai Lite.Also you may need to have a relook at the"no recharge of your limit once you cross it for the month" clause of Hayai Lite.So that you can get subscribers till you can give them the wire connection.Btwwith the new technology what is the avg and max speed you are hoping to get.
mgcarley
Founder, Hayai Broadband
Hi MGC
Just a small suggestion,why dont you raise the limit of the Hayai Lite to 50gb atleast. So that the places where you cannot give wireline connection atleast we can take Hayai Lite.
Not yet. See the 1st paragraph of my previous reply as well as below.
Also you may need to have a relook at the"no recharge of your limit once you cross it for the month" clause of Hayai Lite.
Not at this stage, because the product's target audience isn't likely to need this facility first of all, but secondly if they do, then they aren't really "lite" users, are they? This will of course be revised as data needs increase, but for the time being 1GB per day is sufficient for a "lite" user.
So that you can get subscribers till you can give them the wire connection.Btwwith the new technology what is the avg and max speed you are hoping to get.
Well, there's bad news, good news & interesting news.
Bad news: Like MTNL & BSNL, we've given up on Wimax as it turns out there were too many problems with that network with any significant load on it, but, instead of changing to LTE (we're talking about that internally as a separate thing), for Hayai Lite we've changed to long-range WiFi. Because we're using WiFi, and even though it's long range WiFi and even though it's good equipment with the potential to transmit up to 25mbit/s TCP at the maximum range (52km) under the right circumstances, we will be actually decreasing the radius around each AP that we would be willing to offer the service in.
What does this mean for areas we can't yet provide access? Put simply: outside the wired coverage are we can still put an AP, but instead of being connected to fibre, we would put in one or more dedicated wireless relays at each AP on a different frequency to reach those areas we don't have wired access. This should help us ensure that those users can not only receive the Hayai Lite service, but that those users can receive the same level of service as people in the wired coverage area would get.
Good news: This means more access points, fewer customers per AP & you will be able to use this with or without an antenna/USB dongle (depending on individual circumstances), although we will be bolting an outdoor antenna to your window pointing at our AP to ensure that you can in fact receive a consistently strong signal. This will also mean we can offer higher speeds (the equipment does 130mbit/s but most users within ~1KM should be able to receive up to 54mbit/s using the antenna - WiMax would have been 30mbit/s maximum).
Interesting news: Because this decreased radius will be only about 1/4 of what it would have been on WiMax (though eventually most users will be much closer to *an* AP as we would like to install one at each place we provide with wired access), potentially this could offer us the ability to raise data caps if we need to - or even add more plans (say 45 & 60GB) - on this product at some point in the future, but only if we think that the network will continue to perform well even for those who are not in the wired coverage area (in other words, will the QoS suffer if we add 50-100% over the existing load for those users whose AP is connected only to a wireless relay?)
Just a small suggestion,why dont you raise the limit of the Hayai Lite to 50gb atleast. So that the places where you cannot give wireline connection atleast we can take Hayai Lite.
Not yet. See the 1st paragraph of my previous reply as well as below.
Also you may need to have a relook at the"no recharge of your limit once you cross it for the month" clause of Hayai Lite.
Not at this stage, because the product's target audience isn't likely to need this facility first of all, but secondly if they do, then they aren't really "lite" users, are they? This will of course be revised as data needs increase, but for the time being 1GB per day is sufficient for a "lite" user.
So that you can get subscribers till you can give them the wire connection.Btwwith the new technology what is the avg and max speed you are hoping to get.
Well, there's bad news, good news & interesting news.
Bad news: Like MTNL & BSNL, we've given up on Wimax as it turns out there were too many problems with that network with any significant load on it, but, instead of changing to LTE (we're talking about that internally as a separate thing), for Hayai Lite we've changed to long-range WiFi. Because we're using WiFi, and even though it's long range WiFi and even though it's good equipment with the potential to transmit up to 25mbit/s TCP at the maximum range (52km) under the right circumstances, we will be actually decreasing the radius around each AP that we would be willing to offer the service in.
What does this mean for areas we can't yet provide access? Put simply: outside the wired coverage are we can still put an AP, but instead of being connected to fibre, we would put in one or more dedicated wireless relays at each AP on a different frequency to reach those areas we don't have wired access. This should help us ensure that those users can not only receive the Hayai Lite service, but that those users can receive the same level of service as people in the wired coverage area would get.
Good news: This means more access points, fewer customers per AP & you will be able to use this with or without an antenna/USB dongle (depending on individual circumstances), although we will be bolting an outdoor antenna to your window pointing at our AP to ensure that you can in fact receive a consistently strong signal. This will also mean we can offer higher speeds (the equipment does 130mbit/s but most users within ~1KM should be able to receive up to 54mbit/s using the antenna - WiMax would have been 30mbit/s maximum).
Interesting news: Because this decreased radius will be only about 1/4 of what it would have been on WiMax (though eventually most users will be much closer to *an* AP as we would like to install one at each place we provide with wired access), potentially this could offer us the ability to raise data caps if we need to - or even add more plans (say 45 & 60GB) - on this product at some point in the future, but only if we think that the network will continue to perform well even for those who are not in the wired coverage area (in other words, will the QoS suffer if we add 50-100% over the existing load for those users whose AP is connected only to a wireless relay?)
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dmastermindrahul
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MGCInteresting......A 45-60 GB plan will be quite good.What will be the other charges for devices etc,if any.Btw you misunderstood me.My reason for raising the limit for Lite was for those people who will not be getting a wired connection to start with but will like to take Hayai but need more than 30gb.For them raising the limit might be a good decision.Also will there be any rise in charges for the new technology.Like earlier it was rs 649 for the 30 GB plan.
mgcarley
Founder, Hayai Broadband
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Interesting......A 45-60 GB plan will be quite good.What will be the other charges for devices etc,if any.Btw you misunderstood me.My reason for raising the limit for Lite was for those people who will not be getting a wired connection to start with but will like to take Hayai but need more than 30gb.For them raising the limit might be a good decision.Also will there be any rise in charges for the new technology.Like earlier it was rs 649 for the 30 GB plan.
I don't think I misunderstood you. Hayai Lite will be available pretty much only where wired connections are also available BUT in some areas where we know we won't be able to go with wired access, we will use a wireless backhaul to reach that place.
Because of that, 30GB will continue to be the maximum unless we can determine that the equipment can handle a significant increase in traffic even on a wireless backhaul - because if not, then raising the limit might turn out to be a very bad decision (the equipment could potentially face load/cpu problems and reset itself more often, cutting off service for those connected to that AP for a few minutes in the process - how annoying would that be?)
The charges for all plans remain the same because the access points themselves are much cheaper BUT we will need more access points to cover the same amount of area. The antennas that we will be attaching to your window would cost about Rs1,000.
Interesting......A 45-60 GB plan will be quite good.What will be the other charges for devices etc,if any.Btw you misunderstood me.My reason for raising the limit for Lite was for those people who will not be getting a wired connection to start with but will like to take Hayai but need more than 30gb.For them raising the limit might be a good decision.Also will there be any rise in charges for the new technology.Like earlier it was rs 649 for the 30 GB plan.
I don't think I misunderstood you. Hayai Lite will be available pretty much only where wired connections are also available BUT in some areas where we know we won't be able to go with wired access, we will use a wireless backhaul to reach that place.
Because of that, 30GB will continue to be the maximum unless we can determine that the equipment can handle a significant increase in traffic even on a wireless backhaul - because if not, then raising the limit might turn out to be a very bad decision (the equipment could potentially face load/cpu problems and reset itself more often, cutting off service for those connected to that AP for a few minutes in the process - how annoying would that be?)
The charges for all plans remain the same because the access points themselves are much cheaper BUT we will need more access points to cover the same amount of area. The antennas that we will be attaching to your window would cost about Rs1,000.
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A little update on Hayai Lite: we're seriously considering a change in technology (yay for last-minute changes).
Even though we have access to a WiMax network in Mumbai, we're now thinking that we should use 2.4GHz WiFi (802.11n) with high-gain antennas so that users can have internet access without a CPE, but it's also due (in part) to some manufacturers scaling back their WiMax equipment offerings.
For subscribers who don't have WiFi (or if the signal is weak), we can provide an a CPE with an outdoor antenna to be attached to the window cage to give a better signal, and although using WiFi instead of WiMax will mean that we will have to install more APs (in some cases, one AP for each apartment building plus repeaters as necessary), we think that the combination of technology and increase density of APs will give us better coverage, reliability & speed than what we were working on with WiMax. 802.11g/n also offers faster speeds.
The reason for this new consideration is because in NZ we're using 5GHz WiFi (802.11n) due to 2.4GHz being widely used in NZ and the limited availability of WiMax equipment. The advantage to this is that we don't have any interference, the disadvantage is that because most WiFi cards don't support 5GHz by default, this requires everyone to have a CPE on their roof (which contributes about Rs300/month to the fee). The good news is that so far the tests are giving us speeds in excess of what the wired line actually handles, even at distances of 2.2km.
Authentication & security in both cases would be taken care of by WPA2-Enterprise (when you connect to the wifi, you enter a username & password, such as [email protected]).
Did you look at 802.16m(also called wimax 2). Samsung demostrated 330Mbps speeds.
Even though we have access to a WiMax network in Mumbai, we're now thinking that we should use 2.4GHz WiFi (802.11n) with high-gain antennas so that users can have internet access without a CPE, but it's also due (in part) to some manufacturers scaling back their WiMax equipment offerings.
For subscribers who don't have WiFi (or if the signal is weak), we can provide an a CPE with an outdoor antenna to be attached to the window cage to give a better signal, and although using WiFi instead of WiMax will mean that we will have to install more APs (in some cases, one AP for each apartment building plus repeaters as necessary), we think that the combination of technology and increase density of APs will give us better coverage, reliability & speed than what we were working on with WiMax. 802.11g/n also offers faster speeds.
The reason for this new consideration is because in NZ we're using 5GHz WiFi (802.11n) due to 2.4GHz being widely used in NZ and the limited availability of WiMax equipment. The advantage to this is that we don't have any interference, the disadvantage is that because most WiFi cards don't support 5GHz by default, this requires everyone to have a CPE on their roof (which contributes about Rs300/month to the fee). The good news is that so far the tests are giving us speeds in excess of what the wired line actually handles, even at distances of 2.2km.
Authentication & security in both cases would be taken care of by WPA2-Enterprise (when you connect to the wifi, you enter a username & password, such as [email protected]).
Did you look at 802.16m(also called wimax 2). Samsung demostrated 330Mbps speeds.
mgcarley
Founder, Hayai Broadband
Did you look at 802.16m(also called wimax 2). Samsung demostrated 330Mbps speeds.
The Wimax network we had been working on really suffered under load, which was very disappointing, but other than that, it really came down to price & performance. Normal (802.16d/e) base-stations are about 14x the cost on a per megabit basis of our wifi equipment - and we've got pretty nice wifi equipment (I'm personally quite pleased with it).
As it turns out, WiFi will work better for our purposes because we can ensure better quality connections more easily, as the service radius will be smaller. The connection won't necessarily be higher speed but certainly more stable - 3mbit/s is still the benchmark for the minimum achievable speed, but we should be able to achieve or exceed that more easily than we would have on WiMax, and we can safely upgrade the average speed we think people will get from 8 to 10mbit/s.
I ran some frequency scans while trundling around Faridabad a couple of weeks back and I was pleased to discover that our service won't have too many issues competing with what is currently available (unfortunately I don't know exactly where I was... I was in the car).
The Wimax network we had been working on really suffered under load, which was very disappointing, but other than that, it really came down to price & performance. Normal (802.16d/e) base-stations are about 14x the cost on a per megabit basis of our wifi equipment - and we've got pretty nice wifi equipment (I'm personally quite pleased with it).
As it turns out, WiFi will work better for our purposes because we can ensure better quality connections more easily, as the service radius will be smaller. The connection won't necessarily be higher speed but certainly more stable - 3mbit/s is still the benchmark for the minimum achievable speed, but we should be able to achieve or exceed that more easily than we would have on WiMax, and we can safely upgrade the average speed we think people will get from 8 to 10mbit/s.
I ran some frequency scans while trundling around Faridabad a couple of weeks back and I was pleased to discover that our service won't have too many issues competing with what is currently available (unfortunately I don't know exactly where I was... I was in the car).
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